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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: UmpSC on October 17, 2015, 06:39:21 PM

Title: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: UmpSC on October 17, 2015, 06:39:21 PM
I only saw the original TV view. But it sure as heck looked like textbook RTS.  Anyone else see it that way?
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: BrendanP on October 17, 2015, 06:55:35 PM
I had a hold on MSU player near the 5 yard line. I will not comment further on the game though  :'(
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: SD_Casey on October 17, 2015, 10:42:47 PM
I only saw the original TV view. But it sure as heck looked like textbook RTS.  Anyone else see it that way?

He looks like he was in the gap and got blocked into the snapper by the left guard.  That's my take anyway.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlgN85wB6U
Gif: https://i.imgur.com/r68KbW7.gifv
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: Legacy Zebra on October 17, 2015, 11:02:37 PM
Agreed. Both were in the gap and the left guard blocked one of them into the snapper.
Title: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: TxSkyBolt on October 18, 2015, 08:01:15 AM
No material restriction at the 5


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Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: 6310 Forever on October 18, 2015, 08:11:19 AM
A hold?  Really, a hold?
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: Rulesman on October 18, 2015, 09:24:39 AM
A hold?  Really, a hold?
Michigan fan
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: UmpSC on October 18, 2015, 09:56:52 AM
Thanks for the video. That's a crazy way to drop a game.
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: scrounge on October 18, 2015, 11:51:59 AM
I had a hold on MSU player near the 5 yard line. I will not comment further on the game though  :'(

Are you saying that as an official or a fan? Did you see a hold with your eyes? Or with your heart? :)

Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: BrendanP on October 18, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
Both as an official and a student. The former coach in me is more upset at the stupid mistake you could have made at the worst possible time.
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: Rulesman on October 18, 2015, 03:57:12 PM
Yep. Michigan fan.
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: BrendanP on October 18, 2015, 05:22:52 PM
Yep. Michigan fan.

Not lifelong though. Personally I'm just glad my Roughriders have won the Grey Cup within my lifetime. I was born in Saskatoon and when I was 11, we moved to California, and I'm now a junior at UM. Officiating sure is a much better college job than working in the bookstore. :p
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: yarnnelg on October 18, 2015, 08:46:14 PM
Been up to Sask many times. So, now not only are you a Michigan Fan but an alien too?😋😆 LOL

Kidding of course. I had all of Canada as a Regional Sales Manager.
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: Curious on October 19, 2015, 10:00:54 AM
I only saw the original TV view. But it sure as heck looked like textbook RTS.  Anyone else see it that way?

Looks "indictable"; but highly unlikely to be called on the final play of the game.  I'm more concerned about the decisions made by the replay official during this game.  There were numerous reviews which, in my mind (as an official - not a fan of either team in this game) should not have been overturned - they were JUST TOO CLOSE.  IMHO, the Big 10 should look hard at this RO's judgemental abilities.

Finally, someone explain to me 1) how the H (in front of the MSU bench) could overrule the U from 30 yds away on a catch over the middle that the U, five yards away, was looking right at; and 2)  it seems to me that the R should have gone with the catch - then to the replay official - rather than no catch/replay.  I don't see how there could have been enough "indisputable video evidence" to overturn the call either way.

 
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: Curious on October 23, 2015, 10:22:32 AM
Looks "indictable"; but highly unlikely to be called on the final play of the game.  I'm more concerned about the decisions made by the replay official during this game.  There were numerous reviews which, in my mind (as an official - not a fan of either team in this game) should not have been overturned - they were JUST TOO CLOSE.  IMHO, the Big 10 should look hard at this RO's judgemental abilities.

Finally, someone explain to me 1) how the H (in front of the MSU bench) could overrule the U from 30 yds away on a catch over the middle that the U, five yards away, was looking right at; and 2)  it seems to me that the R should have gone with the catch - then to the replay official - rather than no catch/replay.  I don't see how there could have been enough "indisputable video evidence" to overturn the call either way.


What...nobody else has an opinion? Are we so "gentile and/or fragile" that criticism is verboten?>
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: Bwest on October 23, 2015, 11:20:48 AM
What...nobody else has an opinion? Are we so "gentile and/or fragile" that criticism is verboten?>

We don't have any video...

But as far as catch/no-catch, hear is a philosophy I've often heard:

Ruling catch is a democracy, ruling incomplete is a dictatorship. Meaning, everyone needs to agree to rule catch. If even one person says incomplete, it's incomplete.
Title: Re: Foul on final play of Michigan/MSU
Post by: Fatman325 on October 27, 2015, 08:49:16 AM
A couple of thoughts for Curious.
1. That replay official will be just fine. He worked the Conference Championship game last year which signifies that he has been judged to be the best RO that season. He had a number of tough decisions in this game.
2. Closer doesn't mean better especially when it comes to catch/no catch. The angle is nearly everything to see the skip of the ball. This one is tight. If the U felt that it was clearly a catch the he and the H need to sort that out before the decision goes to the R. The R merely takes what info he is given to the mic. For the record that H is pretty good too.