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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: TXMike on November 28, 2015, 07:51:18 PM

Title: Horse Collar
Post by: TXMike on November 28, 2015, 07:51:18 PM: I know it is not high def and you can't see the hand, but assume the hand is inside the back collar of the QB and this is the result. Foul ?

https://youtu.be/Axdv4P0um38
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: Legacy Zebra on November 28, 2015, 08:02:07 PM: Says the video is private.
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: TXMike on November 28, 2015, 08:28:40 PM: Quote from: Legacy Zebra on November 28, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
Says the video is private.
fixed
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on November 28, 2015, 08:55:40 PM: Assuming the hand has the back of the collar/shoulder pads it sure looks like a horse collar. Runner goes backwards awkwardly in a horse collar looking tackle. I would think that this should still be a flag despite the INC pass since the whole point of the rule is to make this type of action illegal.
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: Kalle on November 29, 2015, 03:12:07 AM: The purpose of the rule is to protect the ball carrier from being pulled down from behind in such a fashion that there is a high injury potential. I think this situation qualifies for it, and even though this isn't your usual horse collar action, I think this should be flagged.
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Post by: 940AC on November 29, 2015, 09:33:52 AM: If we are assuming the hand is inside QB's collar, then yes, it's a flag for horsecollar tackle.
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: NCAA-SJ on November 29, 2015, 02:15:32 PM: I respectfully disagree. I understand the intent behind the rule in order to eliminate the tackle, however, the player is not a ball carrier when he's brought to the ground....he is just another player. So, by rule, I have no foul.
This, in my mind, is no different if the QB had fumbled the ball....or even completed the pass.
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: TXMike on November 29, 2015, 02:25:00 PM: http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=10907.msg106473#msg106473
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: NCAA-SJ on November 29, 2015, 03:15:04 PM: Ok....I was set up!!! Set up, I say!!!!! pi1eOn
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: TXMike on November 29, 2015, 03:28:10 PM: Quote from: NCAA-SJ on November 29, 2015, 03:15:04 PM
Ok....I was set up!!! Set up, I say!!!!! pi1eOn
in the interest of full disclosure or I found that after I posted and was doing some research. I wish I could find something from Reading but this will do for now.
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: NCAA-SJ on November 29, 2015, 04:13:12 PM: Now that you've made me go back and read the rule for myself, I'm finding it difficult to find different interpretations for "immediately pulling the ball carrier down". Down, to me, means to the ground....otherwise, we'd have to define 'down' to mean either 'a little bit', 'halfway', or 'mostly' towards the ground. I've been taught not to read any more into the language, therefore, I'll stand by my original statement....with all due respect to Mr. Anderson and staff.

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Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on November 29, 2015, 08:06:17 PM: "Down" doesn't mean down in the football sense, it means down in the directional sense. Perhaps the rule would be more clear if it said "downward".
Title: Re: Horse Collar
Post by: bossman72 on November 30, 2015, 10:22:16 AM: I have a HCT in the original post
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Post by: The Roamin' Umpire on November 30, 2015, 12:04:56 PM: ^flag
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Post by: bama_stripes on December 01, 2015, 07:34:07 AM: ^flag

Nobody will argue, since most of them scream "hoss-collar" even when the opponent doesn't go to the ground.