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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: BankerRef on December 19, 2015, 01:34:55 PM
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Does anyone else think that should have been ruled a pass and ING rather than a fumble? Big hit on the R. Ouch!
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I was wondering the same thing...albeit after watching the replay in slow motion. Nice block by the R.
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The Ref was out of position on the play. Looks like he stepped up to get a look at the fumble and got in the way. Not sure if I would have called it a pass considering the QB's position didn't make him much of a passer and couldn't see if he had possession before the flick.
Also the SJ calling a hold on a LB who was defending a screen pass. Isn't his key the guy running down field on the 9 route? Why is his eyes there? I do think he got the call right and saved the crew.
I know this crew is from Houston but do we know if this a 5 man crew +2 or a 7 man crew throughout the year?
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LJ had the right spot... Not sure why he didn't overrule the HL who didn't get a good look at the spot at all.
hurts to miss that one.
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I'm trying to figure out why the F and S are spotting the ball on long plays. H and L still have forward progress all the way to the 2. F and S should stay deep and keep the cushion.
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I'm trying to figure out why the F and S are spotting the ball on long plays. H and L still have forward progress all the way to the 2. F and S should stay deep and keep the cushion.
If this wasn't a regular 7-man crew then I think it is a common mistake, the short wings think that the deep wings help on spots and the deep wings like to help out.
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LJ had the right spot... Not sure why he didn't overrule the HL who didn't get a good look at the spot at all.
hurts to miss that one.
I agree. Ball carrier was clearly on his side of the pile then HL calls for the ball and LJ just gave it up.
Huge play on 4th down.
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Does anyone else think that should have been ruled a pass and ING rather than a fumble? Big hit on the R. Ouch!
It should have been ruled backwards pass.
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It went forward.
I'm ruling that a fumble. But I'm making that ruling from at least 5 yards behind where the R was.
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I'm trying to figure out why the F and S are spotting the ball on long plays. H and L still have forward progress all the way to the 2. F and S should stay deep and keep the cushion.
Exactly! This should be covered in pre-game.
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Jugster
Also the SJ calling a hold on a LB who was defending a screen pass. Isn't his key the guy running down field on the 9 route? Why is his eyes there? I do think he got the call right and saved the crew.
The FJ made the call and I am assuming that he followed his keys (Man, Area, Ball). The mechanics manual also says be prepared to help when needed.
The receiver out of the back field would have been the Line Judges key, but the back is running straight at him. He would never see the hold.
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Where does it indicate in any manual that a deep wing can never get a spot?
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I think there are many situations where the deep wing has to get the spot, but the H and L need to be hauling rear down field to take over the spot. On a long pass, there is no way the H and L can get the spot, impossible since they are hanging at the los longer than in 5 man. But, when a long pass is seen, they have to moving down field very quickly. The deep guys get the spot, and the H and L take over in those situations. On normal running plays and shorter pass plays, sure, the H and L have the spot all the way.
I think too many times we see the H and L on long plays hanging at the los and not getting down field quickly.
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The UK 7 man wing mechanics say the following for long runs:
"Occasionally, the deep official may be in a better position than you to cover the ball carrier, in which case he may be the one to declare the ball dead and mark the forward progress. However, this should not be normal practice - keep up with the play!"
Sums it up well I thought.
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Clip of defensive holding on screen play https://youtu.be/fGC25qsMgCI
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Looks to me like ball went forward initially and hit a foot and bounced backwards.
https://youtu.be/F1cOr0-yh3Y
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Clip of defensive holding on screen play https://youtu.be/fGC25qsMgCI
Coach out past the numbers. I think RR would say foul on the coach. Can we not walk him back to the sideline to have this discussion?
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In the first video, why is that coach being allowed to throw a temper tantrum out between the hash and the numbers? Even if he wants an explanation, there is no reason for him to be that far out and there was absolutely no attempt to bring him back to the sideline. Anybody who has seen Redding's videos about coaches' behavior the last couple years knows this is exactly what we're supposed to be eliminating.
But good job replaying the down and not awarding an automatic first down since the foul was behind the line of scrimmage.
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I don't think his actions deserve a flag. R should have run past him to the sideline. He can't argue with the R from there if the R is on the sideline. Once he gets to the sideline give him explanation and get away. If he follows back onto the field then you might flag him.
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I don't think his actions deserve a flag. R should have run past him to the sideline. He can't argue with the R from there if the R is on the sideline. Once he gets to the sideline give him explanation and get away. If he follows back onto the field then you might flag him.
Should the R have come to the coach in the first place? Why are we explaining a defensive holding? Seems pretty self explanatory. If he wants to argue and vent about something as simple as this it should cost him a time out.
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I have always been taught to "walk" the coach to the sideline. That may happen after I drop a flag for him being on the field but I am going to "walk" him to the sideline. I am sure I am not the first one to do so but i once told a coach we can discuss it on the sideline and he told me he wasnt going to the sideline. I told him as I started walking, if you want to discuss it with me, I will be at the sideline.
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6 years old, so I don't know if this link still works. This is how to take a coach to the sidelines. Also about 70 pounds ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64yUCqrhFU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64yUCqrhFU)
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Boy knickers sure look weird now. Great example, Doc.
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Should the R have come to the coach in the first place? Why are we explaining a defensive holding? Seems pretty self explanatory. If he wants to argue and vent about something as simple as this it should cost him a time out.
That's fair. My biggest issue isn't that there was no flag, but that there was no attempt to stop the coach's behavior. The coach seemed to dictate that situation instead of the officials staying in charge.
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Boy knickers sure look weird now. Great example, Doc.
Dude has done 1 thing right in his 60 years of officiating and now you are gonna make that melon of his even larger. :D
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70+ or 70-
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Dude has done 1 thing right in his 60 years of officiating and now you are gonna make that melon of his even larger. :D
I see the way he keeps you in check, so consider it a yin/yang type of thing. :)
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Should the R have come to the coach in the first place? Why are we explaining a defensive holding? Seems pretty self explanatory. If he wants to argue and vent about something as simple as this it should cost him a time out.
Precisely. We spend way too much time explaining calls to coaches for even the simplest of calls.
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Dude has done 1 thing right in his 60 years of officiating and now you are gonna make that melon of his even larger. :D
60 years? Don't think so. At least when I played we didn't wear leather helmets.
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6 years old, so I don't know if this link still works. This is how to take a coach to the sidelines. Also about 70 pounds ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64yUCqrhFU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64yUCqrhFU)
That situation was handled perfectly! And this is a play where an explanation is deserved. But the play for defensive holding needs no explanation. I am with you Legacy. That coach was in control of that situation and should have never been. Either the wing on that sideline needed to bring him back to the side line...if the coach refuses after a couple of tries then a flag is warranted. But if all he is wanting to do is vent and argue to the R about a normal scrimmage down, it's going to cost him a time out.