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Title: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: sczeebra on January 02, 2016, 10:07:35 PM: 7:14 in the 2nd Clemson's ball 3rd and 3 at Oklahoma's 12. According to ESPN's drive chart, the record gives Oaklahoma a sack at the 19yrd line which is where the pass that was ruled to be illegal was tossed from (intentional grounding). The next play on 4th (LOD), the ball is snapped from the 19yd line. What happened to the yardage portion of the penalty?
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Rulesman on January 02, 2016, 10:12:07 PM: The penalty for ING is LOD at the spot of the foul. If thrown from the 19 the next snap should be from the 19.
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Kalle on January 03, 2016, 03:51:37 AM: Quote from: Rulesman on January 02, 2016, 10:12:07 PM
The penalty for ING is LOD at the spot of the foul. If thrown from the 19 the next snap should be from the 19.

~~To be pedantic: this is true if the illegal forward pass is thrown to conserve (only) yardage. If it is thrown to conserve time, the five yard penalty is added, as is for other illegal forward passes.~~
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: jg-me on January 03, 2016, 04:56:04 AM: Kale, you sure about that?
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Kalle on January 03, 2016, 07:41:08 AM: Quote from: jg-me on January 03, 2016, 04:56:04 AM
Kale, you sure about that?

How the hell have I completely missed this rule change last year... thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: jpgc99 on January 03, 2016, 11:16:49 PM: Quote from: Kalle on January 03, 2016, 07:41:08 AM
How the HECK have I completely missed this rule change last year... thanks for pointing it out.

Wow.... I've got to admit I missed that change, too...
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Aussie-Zebra on January 04, 2016, 12:21:47 PM: https://www.facebook.com/WaGridironOfficialsAssociation/videos/521936821308424/
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on January 04, 2016, 12:35:48 PM: Quote from: Kalle on January 03, 2016, 07:41:08 AM
How the HECK have I completely missed this rule change last year... thanks for pointing it out.
It was just an editorial change. ;)
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Kalle on January 04, 2016, 01:40:56 PM: Quote from: Andrew McCarthy on January 04, 2016, 12:35:48 PM
It was just an editorial change. ;)

Well, it was listed as an important editorial change, so still no excuse.
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Osric Pureheart on January 04, 2016, 06:23:58 PM: If that's an editorial change, I'm the Fairy Tinkerbell.
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: bossman72 on January 04, 2016, 08:47:36 PM: Quote from: Kalle on January 03, 2016, 07:41:08 AM
How the HECK have I completely missed this rule change last year... thanks for pointing it out.

I like the change because I have no idea if the IFP was to conserve time. I always determine it was to conserve yardage and can't think of an example of the other... nor would I be able to recognize it in a game.
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Magician on January 04, 2016, 10:30:06 PM: Quote from: Osric Pureheart on January 04, 2016, 06:23:58 PM
If that's an editorial change, I'm the Fairy Tinkerbell.
Rule change = committee change
Editorial change = Rogers Redding change

That came directly from him. The committee gives him leeway to make changes.
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Kalle on January 05, 2016, 01:44:01 AM: Quote from: Osric Pureheart on January 04, 2016, 06:23:58 PM
If that's an editorial change, I'm the Fairy Tinkerbell.

Welcome to the wonderful world of NCAA rules...
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Kalle on January 05, 2016, 01:45:12 AM: Quote from: bossman72 on January 04, 2016, 08:47:36 PM
I like the change because I have no idea if the IFP was to conserve time. I always determine it was to conserve yardage and can't think of an example of the other... nor would I be able to recognize it in a game.

It's a good change, as it makes the rules simpler. The only use of the old difference was as a trick rules question.
Title: Re: Orange Bowl Call?
Post by: Kalle on January 05, 2016, 02:17:29 AM: Quote from: Magician on January 04, 2016, 10:30:06 PM
Rule change = committee change
Editorial change = Rogers Redding change

RR at least lists the important ones, unlike JA did.