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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: TXMike on May 09, 2016, 07:02:00 PM
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4th and 10 at the A-40. Apparent punter is standing at the A-32. 5 minutes left in 1st half, A is winning 20-13. Game clock is running as Play clock expires. Does clock start on the snap or the RFP?
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RFP. Same situation with 5 minutes to go in the second half, I would use 3-4-3 and go on the snap.
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RFP. Same situation with 5 minutes to go in the second half, I would use 3-4-3 and go on the snap.
Agree - 2nd quarter at 5 minutes is probably too early to be using 3-4-3, but 4th quarter its a good fit.
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Agree - 2nd quarter at 5 minutes is probably too early to be using 3-4-3, but 4th quarter its a good fit.
I would go RFP in both 2nd and 4th Quarter with 5 minutes left -- unless Team A was taking multiple delays or FSTs that I deemed intentional or unfair. I am generally not going to invoke 3-4-3 with more than 3 minutes on the clock.
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It's close enough. Start it on the Snap.
3-3-2-d-11
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That's the trap TXMike wanted you to fall into. A single kicker 8 yards deep no longer qualifies as a scrimmage kick formation. This situation is no longer automatically on the snap.
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D'oh, didn't see the changes...
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That's the trap TXMike wanted you to fall into. A single kicker 8 yards deep no longer qualifies as a scrimmage kick formation. This situation is no longer automatically on the snap.
C'mon Man!!! I don't roll that way. ;D
I really was just trying to get some opinions on invoking ref discretion . Not trying to highlight the rule change. Honest!!!
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That's the trap TXMike wanted you to fall into. A single kicker 8 yards deep no longer qualifies as a scrimmage kick formation. This situation is no longer automatically on the snap.
I'm not sure it's a "trap" ;D but my view of this type of play is that we need to make a value judgment as to the "intent" of team A here and if this occurs late in the 4th quarter and in our view the reason for the DOG flag was due to a "we don't really care" attitude then IMO go on the snap. Agreed that it's not "automatic" in any case.
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I'm not sure it's a "trap" ;D but my view of this type of play is that we need to make a value judgment as to the "intent" of team A here and if this occurs late in the 4th quarter and in our view the reason for the DOG flag was due to a "we don't really care" attitude then IMO go on the snap. Agreed that it's not "automatic" in any case.
3-3-2-d-11 doesn't say that you can't invoke 3-4-3 in other cases, it is specific for one situation only. So, in a scrimmage kick formation you don't need to involve judgement, in other formations you need to make a judgement call.
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You had me right up until you put "honest" in there. ;D