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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: inthepit on September 15, 2016, 09:26:55 PM

Title: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: inthepit on September 15, 2016, 09:26:55 PM
Free kick from K-40.  K1 kicks and the ball travels the K 42 yard line.  K1 panics and kicks the loose ball.  The ball sqibbs to the R 38 yard line where R1 recovers it on the ground.  What are the options for team R?

My answer:  There are three options for team R.

A) Penalize team K 15 yards from the previous spot and re-play the free kick down.

B) Team R can accept the results of the play and snap the ball from the team R 38 yard line.

C) Team R can take the ball at the spot of first touching, which is the team K 42 yard line.

Do you agree or disagree?  If disagree, please explain.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: prab on September 15, 2016, 09:47:40 PM
Agree.

However, when explaining R's options, don't mention B.  If you mention B and Captain R then chooses B, you will be blamed for not explaining it well enough.
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: inthepit on September 15, 2016, 10:11:50 PM
Very true, Prab.  Excellent point.
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: Ralph Damren on September 16, 2016, 07:50:21 AM
Agree.

However, when explaining R's options, don't mention B.  If you mention B and Captain R then chooses B, you will be blamed for not explaining it well enough.
Full agreement..never put the kids in position to make a bad choice if there is one to be made.
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: bossman72 on September 16, 2016, 08:05:22 AM
Also, if you want to see basically this exact same play, here it is!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzA-T4I9Rwu4RzM5dC13bHVlYWc
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: Atlanta Blue on September 16, 2016, 09:04:46 AM
Also, if you want to see basically this exact same play, here it is!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzA-T4I9Rwu4RzM5dC13bHVlYWc
Just shoot me.  Please.
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: NewEra1005 on September 16, 2016, 10:31:49 AM
Wow. That's one of those "What the hell did I just see" moments.

I agree. I think you have the right options for the captain. Did you get it right in the game?

@bossman72 Great video reference!!
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: SouthGARef on September 16, 2016, 10:51:02 AM
Also, if you want to see basically this exact same play, here it is!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzA-T4I9Rwu4RzM5dC13bHVlYWc

I didn't necessarily want to see it but, now that I have, I can't look away!
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: inthepit on September 16, 2016, 12:52:48 PM
Yes, NewEra1005.  We got it right on the field.  Thank goodness!
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: SideLine on September 18, 2016, 09:35:17 PM
Free kick from K-40.  K1 kicks and the ball travels the K 42 yard line.  K1 panics and kicks the loose ball.  The ball sqibbs to the R 38 yard line where R1 recovers it on the ground.  What are the options for team R?

My answer:  There are three options for team R.

A) Penalize team K 15 yards from the previous spot and re-play the free kick down.

B) Team R can accept the results of the play and snap the ball from the team R 38 yard line.

C) Team R can take the ball at the spot of first touching, which is the team K 42 yard line.

Do you agree or disagree?  If disagree, please explain.  Thank you.

Add a wrinkle.  What if before the recovery by R, there was an IW. 

Does R still have the choice of the first touching spot?
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: Atlanta Blue on September 18, 2016, 09:50:24 PM
Add a wrinkle.  What if before the recovery by R, there was an IW. 

Does R still have the choice of the first touching spot?
No.  IW during a kick (and this is still a kick) requires the down to be replayed.
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: sir55 on September 18, 2016, 10:39:28 PM
But they can accept the penalty for the illegal kick and have K rekick from 15 yards further back. Accepting the penalty over rides the IW.
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: Atlanta Blue on September 19, 2016, 05:09:27 AM
But they can accept the penalty for the illegal kick and have K rekick from 15 yards further back. Accepting the penalty over rides the IW.
True, but the question was, "Can they take the spot of first touching?"
Title: Re: Illegal kick - team R options
Post by: bossman72 on September 19, 2016, 08:21:05 AM
Add a wrinkle.  What if before the recovery by R, there was an IW. 

Does R still have the choice of the first touching spot?

Yes in NCAA