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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: ALStripes17 on November 19, 2016, 08:32:21 PM

Title: Forward tosses/forward pass
Post by: ALStripes17 on November 19, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
What's the NCAA ruling on this first toss by the Rice QB?

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Title: Re: Forward tosses/forward pass
Post by: Legacy Zebra on November 19, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
This should be a foul since both passes are forward. 5 yards and loss of down from the spot of the second pass. If the first exchange had been a hand off rather than a pass, this would be legal.
Title: Re: Forward tosses/forward pass
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on November 20, 2016, 04:24:13 AM
What's the NCAA ruling on this first toss by the Rice QB?

Agree with LZ - Should have been flagged. Rule references:

Rule 2  -Definitions - 2.19.2.a
ARTICLE 2. a. A pass is forward if the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else beyond the spot where the ball is released. All other passes are backward passes. When in question a pass thrown in or behind the neutral zone is forward rather than a backward pass.(Exception: Games using Instant Replay)

Rule 7 - Snapping and Passing the Ball - 7.3.1 & 7.3.2.d
Legal Forward Pass
ARTICLE 1. Team A may make one forward pass during each scrimmage down before team possession changes, provided the pass is thrown from a point in or behind the neutral zone.
Illegal Forward Pass
ARTICLE 2. A forward pass is illegal if:
d. It is the second forward pass during the same down.

PENALTY [a-e]—Five yards from the spot of the foul; also loss of down if by Team A before team possession changes during a scrimmage down (A.R. 3-4-3-IV and A.R. 7-3-2-II) [S35 and S9].
Title: Re: Forward tosses/forward pass
Post by: WingOfficial on November 21, 2016, 12:36:42 PM
Still learning the NCAA mechanics, so forgive me if this is a silly question: Whose flag should that be?
Title: Re: Forward tosses/forward pass
Post by: Legacy Zebra on November 21, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
R and play side wing (H in this case) should both have this. Both passes are right in front of R and the recipient of the first forward pass is H's initial key on this play. Beyond keys, H should be seeing this anyway, but in this case there's really no reason for him to miss it.