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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Ralph Damren on September 19, 2017, 12:58:51 PM
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UNDER LAST FRIDAY NIGHT'S LIGHTS......
3rd & 10 @ A's 3 when :
(1) A turns K and tries to quick-kick from own end zone;
(2) B/R blocks K's punt;
(3) kicker kicks bouncing ball in end zone again;
(4) the illegal kick goes OOB @ A's 7.
^flagYOU MAKE THE CALL ^flag
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It was a kick after the first kick. The second kick didn't change that.
Options:
a) Flag for illegal kick by A -- foul occurred in the end zone, ABO puts enforcement spot there, resulting in a safety.
b) B declines the foul for the illegal kick. We now have a scrimmage kick that goes out of bounds. It is R's ball at the in bounds spot, 1st and 10 at K/A's 7.
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You have more fun if B causes A to fumble in the end zone, then A kicks the ball OOB at the 7.
Now if B declines the illegal kick foul, it's A's ball, 4th and 6 at the A7 -- and a rather confused B coach needing an explanation as to why that wasn't a punt and his team's ball.
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aWaRd aWaRd Good catch, NC, aWaRd aWaRd.
An illegal kick used to be treated as a fumble until 2014 when a soccer star turned D-back kicked an airborne pass. It was decided that such an act could be corrected by allowing the now illegal kick to maintain the same status as before. Illegally kicking the blocked punt still retains its kick status = OOB on 3rd down = R's ball.
I just said : "The foul results in a safety"
I should have said : "The foul results in a safety OR you can take the ball at their seven."
I should have taken the captain to within the hearing distance of his coach to explain his option as they may have wanted the field position of 1st & goal.
I didn't do either.....They seemed happy....They ended up winning 40-22....they could have won 45-22.....or.....38-22....
A lesson learned...you're never too old to learn a lesson... :o ::) ??? 8]
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Just to be clear, the foul on A for the 2nd "kick" is because he kicked a loose ball. A could have taken possession of the loose ball and (assuming he took possession behind the line of scrimmage) then LEGALLY kicked it again. Correct?
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Yes. If he would have picked it up then kicked it again, it would have been a legal kick.
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So.... :sTiR: :puke:
What would you have if K1 had picked up the blocked punt in K's end zone and advanced it to the K-7 yard line where he is downed??? cRaZy :!# hEaDbAnG
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So.... :sTiR: :puke:
What would you have if K1 had picked up the blocked punt in K's end zone and advanced it to the K-7 yard line where he is downed??? cRaZy :!# hEaDbAnG
It would have become 4th & 6, but we would have lost the enjoyment of this discussion.
:puke: :puke: :puke: tR:oLl tR:oLl sNiCkErS nAnA :!# >:D z^ eAt& ^good ^TD ^no
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Does a ball on the ground absolutely HAVE to be held in order to be legally kicked? Suppose on this "double kick" play, the kicker had instead grabbed the loose ball? Suppose he then placed it on the ground, took a step a back and then kicked it? Legal? Similarly, could a "holder" catch the snap, rise from one knee, place the ball on the ground and abandon it while the kicker ran up and kicked it?
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The short answers: yes, no, no.
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Does a ball on the ground absolutely HAVE to be held in order to be legally kicked? Suppose on this "double kick" play, the kicker had instead grabbed the loose ball? Suppose he then placed it on the ground, took a step a back and then kicked it? Legal? Similarly, could a "holder" catch the snap, rise from one knee, place the ball on the ground and abandon it while the kicker ran up and kicked it?
The only legal kicks in NFHS are punts, place kicks, and drop kicks. Each of these is well-defined; none of them include kicking a loose ball while it is on the ground.