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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: bama_stripes on August 29, 2018, 08:06:02 AM
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The interps are out — fire at will.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_ArltM92D52Z2JabXZQR2lTdTZxSms4SnBXUUY2UjBfWVdR
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Clear as mud..
So they didn't address the "what if K fouls after R gains possession of the kick" issue..
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Clear as mud..
So they didn't address the "what if K fouls after R gains possession of the kick" issue..
Which was the biggest issue that should have been addressed...
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Ever wonder how many of the rules makers (not just the Editorial Committee) are actually active, on field high school football officials and what their
understanding of the game is?
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In AZ, according to our rules interpreters, 10-4-2 Exception has been explained this way: In the past, if K fouls during the kick and the penalty is accepted, the foul would be administered from the previous spot and the down would be replayed. Now with the exception, R may have the penalty tacked on from the end of the down provided they are next to put the ball in play. If K fouls after R gains possession of the ball the exception no longer applies and the penalty is enforced under the all-but-one.
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jgf6 said it well and AZ seems to have it as it should be.
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I make a motion that the NFHS adopt this statement as official...
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I make a motion that the NFHS adopt this statement as official...
Motion seconded! +1
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jgf6 said it well and AZ seems to have it as it should be.
:thumbup Remember, guys, our new tack-on rule applies only while it is still a kick. Once the kick ends, it's the way it always was - all but one.
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:thumbup Remember, guys, our new tack-on rule applies only while it is still a kick. Once the kick ends, it's the way it always was - all but one.
How is it any different? A foul by K is tacked on regardless now... if there is a facemask after the kick and during the runback, don't we 'tack that on' to the end of the run anyways?
All-but-one doesn't apply if we're only talking about K (defense) fouls. All the fouls by K are added on to the end of the run.
The only thing that wouldn't be would be where we had multiple running plays - R receives kick, runs, then fumbles, then recovers and runs some more. In this play, would we use the 'tack it on at the end of the last run' (tack-on rule) or 'during the run in which the facemask occurred' (old rule)?
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How is it any different? A foul by K is tacked on regardless now... if there is a facemask after the kick and during the runback, don't we 'tack that on' to the end of the run anyways?
All-but-one doesn't apply if we're only talking about K (defense) fouls. All the fouls by K are added on to the end of the run.
The only thing that wouldn't be would be where we had multiple running plays - R receives kick, runs, then fumbles, then recovers and runs some more. In this play, would we use the 'tack it on at the end of the last run' (tack-on rule) or 'during the run in which the facemask occurred' (old rule)?
Good point, BBeagle, this is covered on pg 13 of S & I. The caption under the illustration reads : "K fouls during a scrimmage kick. Despite the fumble, K will not be next to put the ball in play. R may have the penalty enforced from the succeeding spot." Rule reference : 6-1-9b, 10-4-2 & 10-5-1j.
You are correct, I should has stated succeeding in lieu of all but one.
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Missing something on Page 96, 10.1.3 Situation: K2 illegal use of hands is a 10 yard penalty and the delay of game penalty 5 yds. Previous spot enforcement of both fouls
would give K the ball at K's 45 yard line. What would we have if the illegal use of hands by K occurred behind the line? If R takes the ball at the succeeding spot, after enforcing both penalties, ^no it would be R's ball at R's 35 yard line. Is there clarifications for clarifications?