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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Jackhammer on September 20, 2018, 06:56:36 PM

Title: More tack on thoughts
Post by: Jackhammer on September 20, 2018, 06:56:36 PM: I was prepping pre-game last week and working on fair catches. During that process I got to thinking about how tack-on might apply in some of these situations.

A play I was thinking about.

R1 calls for a fair catch of a scrimmage kick. K2 is covering the kick and gets close to R1 such that the ball hits K2's helmet and rebounds toward K's goal. K2 did not give R1 an opportunity to catch the kick. R3 picks up the ball and runs for another distance where he is tackled. A flag for fair catch interference is thrown.

So this is a K foul during a kick so we'd tack-on from the succeeding spot. Does the awarded fair catch still exist?
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: VA Official on September 20, 2018, 07:35:43 PM: The tack on rule excludes KCI.
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: Jackhammer on September 20, 2018, 07:58:18 PM: Well, what do you know right there in the rule book parenthetically.

I guess all our mistakes are made right out in the open aren't they....cluttering the darn board with that one.
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: Ralph Damren on September 25, 2018, 11:42:38 AM: Quote from: Jackhammer on September 20, 2018, 07:58:18 PM
Well, what do you know right there in the rule book parenthetically.

I guess all our mistakes are made right out in the open aren't they....cluttering the darn board with that one.
Your situation, Jackhammer, is the main reason for the ()in the exception under 10-4-2c. If KCI was a tack-on to a long return, then they might also want FK>FG ....a X on many z^ bucket list :).
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: Jackhammer on September 25, 2018, 02:26:42 PM: Thanks Ralph.

Speaking of bucket lists, a trip to Maine is on mine...and I'm sandwiching it in between Fridays here in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: bbeagle on September 25, 2018, 04:02:42 PM: Quote from: Jackhammer on September 20, 2018, 06:56:36 PM
R1 calls for a fair catch of a scrimmage kick. K2 is covering the kick and gets close to R1 such that the ball hits K2's helmet and rebounds toward K's goal. K2 did not give R1 an opportunity to catch the kick. R3 picks up the ball and runs for another distance where he is tackled.

Isn't the ball dead once R possesses the ball after they called for fair catch?
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: prab on September 25, 2018, 04:42:06 PM: Quote from: bbeagle on September 25, 2018, 04:02:42 PM
Isn't the ball dead once R possesses the ball after they called for fair catch?

Yes! Ball is dead when R possesses a scrimmage kick after R gives a fair catch signal, valid or not. It is also dead if K recovers it beyond the LOS.
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: Flags-R-Us on September 25, 2018, 05:48:04 PM: So the result would be an awarded fair catch and BUTTS the penalty for KCI from that spot?
Title: Re: More tack on thoughts
Post by: ncwingman on September 26, 2018, 07:31:40 AM: Quote from: Flags-R-Us on September 25, 2018, 05:48:04 PM
So the result would be an awarded fair catch and BUTTS the penalty for KCI from that spot?

Ha! Automatic forum censorship is hilarious.