Post by: SCHSref on November 07, 2018, 04:54:48 PM
I know that some states have it, but maybe some of you feel as though it should be adjusted.
Post by: CalhounLJ on November 07, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
We’ve had a few losing coaches refuse to run the clock. Most of not all regretted it at the end.
Establishing a point differential would take all the guesswork out of it.
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Post by: SCline on November 07, 2018, 05:27:19 PM
Varsity, I’m more torn, I think mandatory running clocks at 30 point differentials in the second half is a decent compromise.
Post by: CalhounLJ on November 07, 2018, 05:28:50 PM
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Post by: GA Umpire on November 07, 2018, 07:12:53 PM
Just curious- for those who have running clock rules, do you ever revert back to regulation if losing team closes the gap?
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Guys:
Here is the Mercy Rule in GA.
MERCY RULE: At the end of the first half of play, if a team is trailing by 30 points or more, the coach of the trailing
team may choose to play the second half with a running clock. Quarters will remain at 12 minutes.
1. If the coach does not exercise the option of the running clock, the third quarter will be played with regulation
timing.
2. If the point differential reaches, or remains, 30 or more points during the third quarter, the clock will still run
according to rule for the remainder of the third quarter, but the fourth quarter will have a running clock mandated.
Also, once a running clock is started, it will remain a running clock for the remainder of the game. It will never revert to regulation timing.
Post by: fudilligas on November 07, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
The clock does NOT revert back to normal timing rules one the mercy rule is in effect if the differential goes under 35 points
Post by: FLAHL on November 08, 2018, 07:09:14 AM
I’d be curious to know the largest come-back wins in HS football. It seems to me that once a HS team gets behind by more than 2 scores, body language changes, heads go down, shoulders stoop, and the game is basically over. I’m sure there are exceptions to this, but I bet they’re less than 5%.
Our officiating philosophy changes in a blowout. We overlook a lot of things on the part of the losing team - no fouls for DoG, or lining up wrong, or having only 10 players on offense and 6 on the line. We do call any fouls related to safety. On the other side, we have a greater risk of taunting and USC by the winning team. And for some reason, we have coaches with their starters in who are still throwing deep when they’re up by 40. In some of those games, I feel like “preventative officiating” means preventing a fight from breaking out.
I know officials who throw flags to keep a team from continuing to run it up. “Got a hold coach, sorry but I didn’t get a number.” I haven’t done that, but I understand why some officials would.
Sorry for the rant. This is why I posted the question about how competitive your games were. I’m in my 16th year, and I can deal with coaches yelling, fans not knowing the rules, lightning delays, and all the other issues that we deal with. But if you tell me before the season that I’m going to have 3 competitive games and 9 blowouts, I’d think long and hard before signing up for that. I’d rather find a game that I’m sure will be competitive and watch from the stands.
Post by: HLinNC on November 08, 2018, 07:47:23 AM
Post by: bbeagle on November 08, 2018, 08:32:09 AM
I’d be curious to know the largest come-back wins in HS football. It seems to me that once a HS team gets behind by more than 2 scores, body language changes, heads go down, shoulders stoop, and the game is basically over. I’m sure there are exceptions to this, but I bet they’re less than 5%.
Home team losing 41-17 in the 4th quarter with 2:42 left in the game (down 24 points). Home Team came back to lead 44-41 with 24 seconds left.
However, on the kickoff with 24 seconds left, the visiting team returns it all the way to win 48-44.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkABO0VwCg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHkABO0VwCg)
(The announcers in the video are hilarious to listen to)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_John_Tyler_vs._Plano_East_high_school_football_game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_John_Tyler_vs._Plano_East_high_school_football_game)
Post by: TampaSteve on November 08, 2018, 08:33:17 AM
FL State Mercy Rule: If one team is ahead by a margin of 35 points or more at the end of the second quarter, the clock shall run continuously. Once the running clock is initiated, it shall run continuously with the exception of during any timeout taken by a team or officials, injuries, unsporting conduct penalties, and during the period between quarters.I'm a tad out of the loop maybe the state tweaked the mercy rule a bit.
The clock does NOT revert back to normal timing rules one the mercy rule is in effect if the differential goes under 35 points
1-I dont remember stoppages for USC. i.e. why stop for a USC vs a holding? - penalties are penalties
2-I do remember stoppages between a score and subsequent kickoff. (clock stops for the try and doesnt re-start until the kickoff)
Post by: riffraft on November 08, 2018, 08:57:26 AM
Post by: chriscwilson on November 08, 2018, 09:30:21 AM
Just curious- for those who have running clock rules, do you ever revert back to regulation if losing team closes the gap?
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In Michigan, 35 point or more point differential in second half, running clock (clock stops on TIPS (time-outs, injury, penalty, scores)). 50 points is what we call super-clock, does not stop at all. If gap is closed, revert back to regular timing.
Post by: FLAHL on November 08, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
I'm a tad out of the loop maybe the state tweaked the mercy rule a bit.
1-I dont remember stoppages for USC. i.e. why stop for a USC vs a holding? - penalties are penalties
2-I do remember stoppages between a score and subsequent kickoff. (clock stops for the try and doesnt re-start until the kickoff)
1 - we're supposed to remind the head coach that another USC on the same player will result in an ejection.
2 - FL mercy rule now has the clock running after a score through the subsequent kickoff - a great idea IMO
Post by: Tom.OH on November 08, 2018, 10:12:53 AM
Just curious- for those who have running clock rules, do you ever revert back to regulation if losing team closes the gap?
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Ohio uses 30 points in second half and does revert to regular timing if goes below 30...
Post by: ilyazhito on November 08, 2018, 12:05:21 PM
In DC middle school games, if one team is up by 50+ points, periods are reduced from 8 minutes to 6 minutes, with the clock running as described above.
Post by: TampaSteve on November 08, 2018, 12:33:56 PM
1 - we're supposed to remind the head coach that another USC on the same player will result in an ejection.item2: totally agree.
2 - FL mercy rule now has the clock running after a score through the subsequent kickoff - a great idea IMO
Post by: bbeagle on November 08, 2018, 02:50:34 PM
In DC and MD, the mercy rule is 35 points or more in the 2nd half. Clock starts running when the kickoff following the difference-making score is legally touched.
I've always wondered why they specifically wait extra time to start the running clock.
We had a running clock rule in lacrosse, that if a team was ahead by 12 in the second half, the clock would run. Well, as soon as the 12th goal was scored, I would immediately wind my arms to run the clock. A few years later, they added to the rules that we must stop the clock until the next face-off. Why make the game last another minute longer? What's the point?
Post by: awood1 on November 08, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
I’d be curious to know the largest come-back wins in HS football. It seems to me that once a HS team gets behind by more than 2 scores, body language changes, heads go down, shoulders stoop, and the game is basically over. I’m sure there are exceptions to this, but I bet they’re less than 5%.
As mentioned before, CA it's 35pts with stipulations as described above.
As for the come-backs....2009 D2 Sac Joaquin section semi-final. Folsom leads Del Oro 35-7 at halftime. DO recovers 3 on side kicks on their way to a 43-42 win after Folsom's 38yd FG attempt rattles off the crossbar with 0:00 on the clock. It was a killer...
Post by: ilyazhito on November 08, 2018, 11:51:33 PM
I've always wondered why they specifically wait extra time to start the running clock.bbeagle, the clock stops per the normal rules when the touchdown is scored. Usually, the 35th (or 36th) point get added to the difference after the try is successfully completed, and the clock typically stops after a score, so the clock, already being stopped, does not restart until the following kickoff is legally touched by R. Then, the running clock starts. Even if the 35th point is scored on the TD (without the try) or a FG, the clock restarts when the kickoff is legally touched, for the sake of consistency with the more usual occurrence (extra point(s) produce a lead greater than or equal to the mercy rule margin).
We had a running clock rule in lacrosse, that if a team was ahead by 12 in the second half, the clock would run. Well, as soon as the 12th goal was scored, I would immediately wind my arms to run the clock. A few years later, they added to the rules that we must stop the clock until the next face-off. Why make the game last another minute longer? What's the point?
Post by: TampaSteve on November 09, 2018, 07:58:12 AM
I know we have no control over it.
Post by: FLAHL on November 09, 2018, 08:06:04 AM
I must say I disagree with reverting back to standard clock after it rolls.
I know we have no control over it.
In FL, we don't go back. Once the clock starts running, it keeps running.
Post by: TampaSteve on November 09, 2018, 08:09:21 AM
In FL, we don't go back. Once the clock starts running, it keeps running.Oh yeah, I know. More directed to the other guys.
I would support a 1st half mercy rule that if we get to mercy clock and revert back if we go under; but if we're at mercy anytime in the 2nd half we go to mercy clock and dont look back.
Post by: Ralph Damren on November 09, 2018, 09:56:59 AM
Post by: refjeff on November 09, 2018, 10:07:17 AM
The clock does stop for charged timeouts, injury or other prolonged stoppage of play (but not penalty enforcement, unless we have a prolonged discussion), quarters, change of possession, and scores. In all cases the clock winds on the RFP. The crew uses normal signals. The R will face the press box and give a deliberate stop or wind signal to the clock operator.
I like it.
This fall we had a cold, rainy night where it 52-0 at the half. The second half was running clock, and we played eight minutes quarters. Done in 22 minutes.
Post by: VALJ on November 09, 2018, 03:01:08 PM
In Michigan, 35 point or more point differential in second half, running clock (clock stops on TIPS (time-outs, injury, penalty, scores)).
Virginia is the same, though the mnemonic I use is "That's Chris, Football Scholar:
Timeout
Change of Possession
First Down
Score
The clock always starts on the ready for play for a scrimmage down. The clock is not supposed to start on the ready for a free kick, but starts when legally touched.
The running clock is mandatory at 35 points, and it does revert to normal timing rules if the score gets closer than 35.
Post by: Ralph Damren on November 10, 2018, 11:16:14 AM
Post by: bossman72 on November 13, 2018, 08:43:56 AM
There is no reason why we should not have a mercy rule in high school football in every state.
For all of you old timers out there in states that don't have a mercy rule - have you ever experienced a time when a team came back from 35 points down to win? MAYBE 1... MAYBE. In how many years?
So to that point, I see no reason to prolong the game when the outcome is clearly inevitable for 99.9999% of games.
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on November 14, 2018, 08:26:16 AM
I’d be curious to know the largest come-back wins in HS football. It seems to me that once a HS team gets behind by more than 2 scores, body language changes, heads go down, shoulders stoop, and the game is basically over. I’m sure there are exceptions to this, but I bet they’re less than 5%.
I was the R in a Friday night game a few years ago (MA - NCAA rules) where the visitors scored on every possession in the 1st half, the home team did not have a single 1st down and the score was 32-0 heading into halftime just as a thunder & lightning storm got too close. We delayed for almost 3 hours (the visitors were unwilling to return the next day to continue the game). We restarted the game and a virtual reverse of the 1st half occurred. The home team won 35-32 with a TD in the last minute.
Post by: bama_stripes on November 15, 2018, 05:32:38 AM
For all of you old timers out there in states that don't have a mercy rule - have you ever experienced a time when a team came back from 35 points down to win? MAYBE 1... MAYBE. In how many years?
No, but the nationally-televised game from Alabama a few weeks ago started out 28-0, got to 49-49, and ended 63-49 the other way. (The QBs were Bear Bryant’s great-grandson, and Tua Tagovailoa’s brother)
Post by: bossman72 on November 15, 2018, 09:33:25 AM
No, but the nationally-televised game from Alabama a few weeks ago started out 28-0, got to 49-49, and ended 63-49 the other way. (The QBs were Bear Bryant’s great-grandson, and Tua Tagovailoa’s brother)
Still wasn't a 35 point differential.
Post by: CalhounLJ on November 15, 2018, 10:05:47 AM
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Post by: Ralph Damren on November 15, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Post by: TampaSteve on November 17, 2018, 09:31:47 AM
I once remember a Super Bowl where a team was down by 25 and came back to win :) ;) :o 8] ::) :P ! I don't believe the NFL has a mercy rule 8]....perhaps a tad more gambling involved on that level. ;D
Post by: stevegarbs on November 19, 2018, 12:28:00 PM