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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: NVFOA_Ump on September 05, 2019, 10:09:00 AM
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On a scoring play, assuming that the scoring team is penalty free, do all live ball fouls against the non-scoring team qualify to be "carried over" (to the try or the subsequent K/O) at the scoring teams option (including 5, 10, and 15 yard enforcements)?
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Yessir. NFHS' way of keeping it simple. There aren't many live ball fouls by B that are only 5-yards and holding is really the only likely 10-yarder. You won't have many carry over fouls but it's good to know this rule for when it happens.
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There is one case where this is not true.
If there was a change of possession on the play, and the non-scoring team fouled prior to the change of possession, the scoring team must decline the foul to keep possession of the ball and the results of the play (8-2-3).
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Also if the score is a safety no carry over options exist.
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There is also a weird caveat if R returns a scrimmage or free kick for a touchdown -- if K fouls prior to the end of the kick, R can elect enforcement at the succeeding spot, which would ONLY be the try and not the subsequent kickoff. (10-4-2 exception)
If K fouls during the return, after the end of the kick, then the ensuing kickoff is also an option.
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There is also a weird caveat if R returns a scrimmage or free kick for a touchdown -- if K fouls prior to the end of the kick, R can elect enforcement at the succeeding spot, which would ONLY be the try and not the subsequent kickoff. (10-4-2 exception)
If K fouls during the return, after the end of the kick, then the ensuing kickoff is also an option.
So this actually answers another question that came up in our board meeting last night. On a free kick, K has kicked the ball deep right corner almost to the goal line. A catches ball and returns down the sideline for a 99 yard TD. During the down we have a flag on K for holding on the left side of the field at the 12 yard line. The calling official needs to determine if the hold came during the kick or during the return. Is that correct?
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The calling official needs to determine if the hold came during the kick or during the return. Is that correct?
Yes, although that should always be part of reporting a foul if there is any loose ball situation (kick, fumble, pass, etc.) -- the basic spot will depend on the status of the ball at the time of the foul.
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Also if the score (TD) is on the last play of the game, the only choice is enforce on the try. They can’t carry that foul to overtime.
Also when the OP says all I’m assuming he is meaning any type of live ball foul and not multiple fouls, in which not all of the fouls will be enforced.
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Summary:
If TD is scored, we have kickoff option. (Unless it’s last play of game or overtime. )
If score is by kick, Succeeding spot. (Which can be kickoff, but also includes overtime.)
If score is by safety, neither applies
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So if we have a flagrant PF or even a DB PF on the try that ties a game as the clock runs out we do not carry over to OT?
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So if we have a flagrant PF or even a DB PF on the try that ties a game as the clock runs out we do not carry over to OT?
Fouls on successful try’s carry over to succeeding spot. Even overtime. I guess I left that out of my summary. Doesn’t matter if it’s a kick try or two point conversion.
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