Post by: TXMike on October 13, 2019, 07:45:23 AM
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Post by: CalhounLJ on October 13, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
I heard about this but had not seen it until now. The F could have been aware of him moving out there but once he's getting ready his focus will not be here at all. The R won't have an angle to know if he's on or off the field. This should have been a foul but what foul and impact to the game unless you kill it before the kick.A coach on the field is not a foul in NCAA?
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Post by: Magician on October 13, 2019, 10:52:48 PM
A coach on the field is not a foul in NCAA?
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No, it's definitely a foul. It would fall under unsportsmanlike conduct in this case. But it's a succeeding spot enforcement. Notre Dame would still get the ball after recovering the onside kick but 15 yards behind where the run ends. If you called it before the free kick then you would move the kicking team up 15 yards to the 50 and kick from there. This would be more impactful in the game. That was my point. If you haven't blown the RFP yet because he's on the field you could also possibly flag him for delay of game. That's why I said the impact would depend on which foul you ruled.
Post by: CalhounLJ on October 14, 2019, 06:49:44 AM
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Post by: Magician on October 14, 2019, 08:13:36 AM
Ok thanks. I misunderstood. I thought you were advocating for no flag on this. I’m not a college guy, but I’ve seen flags on coaches for a lot less.
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I think the challenge here is while he's doing this no official would be looking in this area. The 6 guys between the 35 and 45 are focused on the lines in front of them and associated players. He's pretty demonstrative, but if the stadium was really loud they probably don't hear him either.
Post by: ElvisLives on October 14, 2019, 08:26:57 AM
Ok thanks. I misunderstood. I thought you were advocating for no flag on this. I’m not a college guy, but I’ve seen flags on coaches for a lot less.
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Actually, probably not. This guy was just coaching, not protesting an officiating decision. No question you have seen coaches flagged for being out of their coaches box/on the field and coaching during a live ball. And no question you have seen coaches flagged for protesting officiating decisions while on the field (live or dead-ball). But, this is a guy coaching. It would have been good to stop play and get him back in the team area, but officials are under no obligation to do so. Live-ball, or dead-ball, coaches, trainers, squad members, etc., are not permitted on the field without our permission. Period. So, this guy could have been flagged before the kick, and absolutely should have been flagged after the kick.
Robert
Post by: CalhounLJ on October 14, 2019, 08:00:24 PM
Actually, probably not. This guy was just coaching, not protesting an officiating decision. No question you have seen coaches flagged for being out of their coaches box/on the field and coaching during a live ball. And no question you have seen coaches flagged for protesting officiating decisions while on the field (live or dead-ball). But, this is a guy coaching. It would have been good to stop play and get him back in the team area, but officials are under no obligation to do so. Live-ball, or dead-ball, coaches, trainers, squad members, etc., are not permitted on the field without our permission. Period. So, this guy could have been flagged before the kick, and absolutely should have been flagged after the kick.I’ve seen coaches in college games flagged for standing in the restricted area with one foot on the field. On ESPN. In SEC games.
Robert
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Post by: dvasques on October 15, 2019, 10:50:30 AM
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Post by: psv on October 15, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
This is akin to worrying about a mosquito buzzing around your ear while you are staring down a mountain lion intent on eating you...
Taken by itself, sure, it should have been a flag.
Taken in context of the greater situation, and what would have mattered more, missing something on the onside kick because you were worried about a coach spazzing out down field?
And as we are a compliant group, we would have certainly tried to get him off the field first "Coach, come on, off the field".... the only time I have *EVER* seen an official flag a coach immediately is when there is contact. There isn't any contact here.
The coach is inconsequential to the kick that is about to come, and you can see all of their focus is on that kick...
Post by: CalhounLJ on October 15, 2019, 05:46:36 PM
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Post by: Etref on October 15, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
Allow me to retort :)
This is akin to worrying about a mosquito buzzing around your ear while you are staring down a mountain lion intent on eating you...
Taken by itself, sure, it should have been a flag.
Taken in context of the greater situation, and what would have mattered more, missing something on the onside kick because you were worried about a coach spazzing out down field?
And as we are a compliant group, we would have certainly tried to get him off the field first "Coach, come on, off the field".... the only time I have *EVER* seen an official flag a coach immediately is when there is contact. There isn't any contact here.
The coach is inconsequential to the kick that is about to come, and you can see all of their focus is on that kick...
No need to “spazz” just drop the flag and blow the play dead. Penalize and then kick.
Just my $.02
Post by: js in sc on October 15, 2019, 08:50:21 PM
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Post by: CalhounLJ on October 16, 2019, 04:43:57 PM
Since the ball was bouncing directly toward him, how many people, esp the media, would scream for the officials heads for allowing the coach to be overrun and injured by allowing him to be on the field when he shouldn't be. Safety is not just for the players. Wouldn't it be better to blow it dead just like if a dog ran on the field in front of the ball?I’ll pass on commenting on that analogy.
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Post by: refjeff on October 20, 2019, 04:45:29 AM
, how many people, esp the media, would scream for the officials heads for allowing the coach to be overrun and injured by allowing him to be on the field when he shouldn't be.Likely no one.
Post by: ElvisLives on October 20, 2019, 07:52:46 AM
Likely no one.
Really.
Tell that to the 5 guys in San Antonio that were sued back around 2009 when (in 2004) one of them, quite properly, was covering a play from the restricted area and, while running virtually full-speed, collided with an assistant coach that had stepped into the restricted area. Both were knocked unconscious. The official fully recovered, but the coach suffered brain injuries that forced him to leave coaching, and, some years later, contributed to his death. The coach's insurance company sued on the argument that the coach had not been warned to stay out the restricted area. Ultimately, the officials were given a summary judgment, effectively absolving them of any responsibility. Duh. By RULE, the restricted area is called the restricted area for a reason, and, again, by RULE (which coaches are supposed to know), is supposed to be kept clear while the ball is in play. But, that won't keep some folks, especially media and lawyers, from attempting to vilify officials over such incidents (not to mention on-field rulings that, in their minds, affect the outcome of a game).
Keep 'em off the field, and out of the restricted area.
Post by: sj on October 20, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Really.
Tell that to the 5 guys in San Antonio that were sued back around 2009 when (in 2004) one of them, quite properly, was covering a play from the restricted area and, while running virtually full-speed, collided with an assistant coach that had stepped into the restricted area. Both were knocked unconscious. The official fully recovered, but the coach suffered brain injuries that forced him to leave coaching, and, some years later, contributed to his death. The coach's insurance company sued on the argument that the coach had not been warned to stay out the restricted area. Ultimately, the officials were given a summary judgment, effectively absolving them of any responsibility. Duh. By RULE, the restricted area is called the restricted area for a reason, and, again, by RULE (which coaches are supposed to know), is supposed to be kept clear while the ball is in play. But, that won't keep some folks, especially media and lawyers, from attempting to vilify officials over such incidents (not to mention on-field rulings that, in their minds, affect the outcome of a game).
Keep 'em off the field, and out of the restricted area.
All correct. The defense for the officials would be simple....the warning is in the rule book.