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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: jra104 on September 03, 2021, 09:29:55 AM

Title: Scrimmage kick 7 yards vs 10 yards
Post by: jra104 on September 03, 2021, 09:29:55 AM
Why was this changed to a player being at least 10 yards back vs 7 yards back?   2-16-10

ARTICLE 10. a. A scrimmage kick formation is a formation with no player in
position to receive a hand-to-hand snap from between the snapper’s legs, and
with either (1) at least one player 10 or more yards behind the neutral zone;
or (2) a potential holder and potential kicker seven or more yards behind the
neutral zone in position for a place kick.
Title: Re: Scrimmage kick 7 yards vs 10 yards
Post by: bossman72 on September 03, 2021, 09:44:56 AM
Why was this changed to a player being at least 10 yards back vs 7 yards back?   2-16-10

ARTICLE 10. a. A scrimmage kick formation is a formation with no player in
position to receive a hand-to-hand snap from between the snapper’s legs, and
with either (1) at least one player 10 or more yards behind the neutral zone;
or (2) a potential holder and potential kicker seven or more yards behind the
neutral zone in position for a place kick.

So teams couldn't put a shotgun QB 7 yards back and put all eligible numbers on the line as their regular offense.
Title: Re: Scrimmage kick 7 yards vs 10 yards
Post by: jra104 on September 03, 2021, 12:45:07 PM
So how does that affect the defense?  I looking at the potential for a qb/punter only "8" yards back taking the snap and throwing a ball to an outside receiver that the defense is trying to block thinking it's a punt and getting an easy PI call.   
Title: Re: Scrimmage kick 7 yards vs 10 yards
Post by: ElvisLives on September 03, 2021, 02:13:23 PM
So how does that affect the defense?  I looking at the potential for a qb/punter only "8" yards back taking the snap and throwing a ball to an outside receiver that the defense is trying to block thinking it's a punt and getting an easy PI call.

The Rules Committee can't help folks be smart. If the player in "shotgun" is only 8 yards back, by himself, this is not a scrimmage kick formation. Defensive backs need to be as aware of how the ball gets into the air on this down as much as any other down. Team A can - and do - fake a punt a throw on 4th and long (with the player receiving the snap some 10-12 yards deep). This would be no different regardless of where the 'shotgun' player was positioned at the snap. That's why the Rules Committee created the rule absolving Team B of PI fouls when, from a scrimmage kick formation as defined, the apparent kicker instead throws the ball high and deep to simulate a kick, in hopes of getting a DPI call. The pass isn't illegal, but it removes DPI. A real risk for A, because it will probably fall incomplete, and go back to the previous spot, B's ball.