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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Bubba Ump on March 02, 2022, 04:51:25 PM
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Had an interesting coin toss in the first round of playoffs a few years ago and it's bothered me ever since. A very good team from out of the area vs a team I knew well. The visiting team sends out their 4 Captains to meet the home team's Captains and they are glaring at them through the entire sportsmanship speal. The Referee tells them to shake hands and bring their teams out and the visiting team just turns away and jogs back to their sideline. Leaving the Home team with their hands extended. The Referee tells me that was strange but acted like it was no big deal. I was HACKED. I went over to the visiting Head Coach and told him what happened. He barked, "We don't shake hands." Not wanting things to escalate I calmly walked to my position for Kickoff and worked the game. So, NFHS keeps sending me these links that are all about "Sportsmanship and the lack thereof" Got one today and that made me think of this. How I would / should I handle this? If it happened now I would throw my flag, my spare flag, my hat and steal one of the referees flags so I could throw it too. Kick the head coach out and kick from the 3 yardline. Not sure if this is the correct thing to do but I think I would be justified by the NFHS in my actions. What I'd really do is yell for the visiting Captains to return and tell them what I'm about to do if they don't shake hands. If they don't comply I'd kick out the Head Coach and we'd kick from the 25. You thoughts and opinions of this are how I become a better official...
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My understanding of our state's policy is to flag the HC of the team(s) for USC. Except while we were playing under Covid rules, then nobody was supposed to shake hands.
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Yeah I'd be peeved at that too. At a minimum, to avoid having to throw a flag, I'd make the captains come back out, plus their coach, and (calmly) explain to him that on this field, in games under my jurisdiction, we practice good sportsmanship, and if he chooses to walk off without his captains - and him - shaking their hands, he's gonna get one on his counter and he's gonna have to be the very best of saintly choirboys, he'll be on a VERY short leash the rest of the night. No reason to put up with that.
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don't know of anything in the rules book that says shaking hands is mandatory.....however, don't know of anything in the book that says you have to warn the players or coaches before throwing a USC flag....could have a night of flying yellow hankies ^flag ^flag ^flag ^flag ^flag
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don't know of anything in the rules book that says shaking hands is mandatory.....however, don't know of anything in the book that says you have to warn the players or coaches before throwing a USC flag....could have a night of flying yellow hankies ^flag ^flag ^flag ^flag ^flag
Personally I don't think I would flag it since there is nothing in the rule. I kind of put this in contrast with wrestling, where it is in the rules to shake hands both before and after the match.
Figure if the football powers that be wanted to make it mandatory they would make it mandatory.
All that said I would definitely have my eyes open for improper behavior on the part of that team and have very little tolerance for any deviation of proper conduct.
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I may be in the minority here, but in my opinion people make way too big of a deal out of the coin toss/handshake. Flip the coin, get their choices and get out. They don’t care about your names. They’re not listening to your sportsmanship lecture. In fact, nothing you say to them is being processed. All they care about is the coin toss itself and which unit is taking the field.
The fact that some people would eject a head coach before the game even starts just because four teenagers didn’t shake hands is a little bothersome. When a coach goes for two late just to put 50 on the scoreboard, you’re not tossing him. When a coach leaves his starters in with a big lead, you’re not tossing him. When a coach tells his team to “go kick their BUTT”, you’re not tossing him. So why are we worried about a handshake?
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Exactly
Just be aware that things may get chippy early and take control of the game
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So why have the coin toss at all then? Let's flip a coin in the locker room and be done with it. Or even better, just make it like baseball: home team receives first half, visitors receive second half. Done.
My reasoning is that if that's the way the team is coached, then you are very likely going to have problems. And I am a firm believer that one of the goals of football - of sports, in general - is to teach and model proper sportsmanship and teamwork. Nobody is expecting golf-like levels of integrity or politeness here (and if you do, you will be sorely disappointed.) It may not be a specific rule to shake hands, but it's a traditional part of the game and allowing that to occur demonstrates to players that officials, like the other team, can be treated with disrespect, with no consequences.
from the Statement on Sportsmanship, FR-10:
The rules committee reminds head coaches of their responsibility for the behavior of their players before and after, as well as during, the game. Players must be cautioned against pre-game unsportsmanlike conduct on the field that can lead to confrontation between the teams.
While that was most likely written with pregame warmup shenanigans in mind, it absolutely applies here.
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Do the handshake and your intro before the coin toss.
Gentlemen, shake hands and introduce yourselves. I am your R and this is the U. You are chosen to be the leaders on the field by your coaches and I expect your help if someone gets out of line. Blah, blah...
Then toss the coin.
If they don't want to shake hands again when the opponent sticks out their hand it is not a problem for me. It is an indication that we need to keep a close eye on their sideline because this this is very much a reflection of the coaching staff.
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The point of the coin toss is to determine which team will kickoff and in which direction. That’s it. Anything beyond that is extraneous. If they shake hands, great. If they don’t, I don’t care. And as I listed above, there are plenty of things that fall under that sportsmanship reminder that we don’t (and shouldn’t) penalize a team for. It’s traditional for a team who is winning late to take a knee to end the game. But if that team lines up and throws a deep pass for another TD, we wouldn’t flag that as unsportsmanlike. Should a team refusing to shake hands make your antenna go up for future shenanigans? Absolutely. But in my opinion, this is not something we should flag immediately.
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Not flag immediately, sure, but I'd still bring them back out, like I mentioned above, to reiterate the sportsmanship aspect of the game.
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Do the handshake and your intro before the coin toss.
If they wouldn’t shake hands after the toss, why would trying to make them do it before the toss change anything?
Gentlemen, shake hands and introduce yourselves. I am your R and this is the U. You are chosen to be the leaders on the field by your coaches and I expect your help if someone gets out of line. Blah, blah...
They know you’re the R because you’re the one with a white hat and a coin. Beyond that, it means nothing to them. And they don’t care about your spiel about leadership. 99% of the time they’re captains because of their onfield position or their seniority. Them being one of the four guys at the toss typically has very little to do with their level of accountability.
Then toss the coin.
If they don't want to shake hands again when the opponent sticks out their hand it is not a problem for me. It is an indication that we need to keep a close eye on their sideline because this this is very much a reflection of the coaching staff.
My coin toss “speech” is simply “Gentlemen, this is the coin.” Show both captains heads and tails. “[Visiting team], you’re the visitor, so you’ll call the toss. What is your call? [Home captain], what did he say? [Repeat call]”. That’s it. If it’s a postseason game or something special I’ll add “Welcome to [special game]” at the beginning.
And as far as bringing the captains back out, you’re wasting so much time for something that is just going to make that team (or both) start the game mad at you. You’re going to get both sets of captains out of the tunnel, walk them back to midfield, and make them shake hands? Are you just gonna wait them out until they do it? Now everybody is mad at you because you’ve taken what should amounted to a verbal warning and turned it into a 10 minute grandstand. Not to mention that we haven’t even kicked off yet and they already have the perception that you’re over officiating.
All of this is simply my opinion. I just think we waste time and energy on things that don’t affect anything. Do what works for you or what your boss tells you.
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You're not wrong. Maybe what I said would be taking it too far. That said, I'm not comfortable leaving that level of contempt and disrespect for officials and the other team out there, without being addressed in some way.
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That’s the thing though. Addressing an issue shouldn’t automatically mean flagging it. And this applies to the game as a whole, not just this situation. Too many times we think a flag is the only option. Our flag should be the last tool we use to address an issue, not the first. The more we can defuse without a flag, the better our game management will be.
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Personally I don't think I would flag it since there is nothing in the rule. I kind of put this in contrast with wrestling, where it is in the rules to shake hands both before and after the match.
Figure if the football powers that be wanted to make it mandatory they would make it mandatory.
All that said I would definitely have my eyes open for improper behavior on the part of that team and have very little tolerance for any deviation of proper conduct.
not saying to flag it at the toss....only that i would not hesitate to throw USC or PF on that team where i would otherwise be apt for a "talk to"
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My coin toss “speech” is simply “Gentlemen, this is the coin.” Show both captains heads and tails. “[Visiting team], you’re the visitor, so you’ll call the toss. What is your call? [Home captain], what did he say? [Repeat call]”. That’s it. If it’s a postseason game or something special I’ll add “Welcome to [special game]” at the beginning.
Mine is the same. Someone once told me that they gave the "you're the captain" speech and when they were done, they asked the kids to repeat what was said and they had no clue. So next game the R asked, "Why is the bologna round and the bread is square?". Apparently, they were able to repeat that. The point is these kids just want to get the coin flipped and line up and start hitting each other.
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Well Mr. Legacy, I was raised and trained a little different. I always did the handshake first and never had it denied. It did not matter if it was a 7th grade "b" game or a playoff game with Patrick Mahomes. I introduced "I am Mr. Smith and the U eating his sNiCkErS is Mr. Jones". Please have your ball carriers get the ball to him after every play. Depending on the game, I might add a few things.
Bottom line, I wanted them to know right up front that we knew who they were and we respected the fact that they were chosen to be out there.
If I could get back in shape, I would LOVE to go at it again.
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Actually, I think you would find you and I had similar training early in my career. I used to give a big monologue, too. But, like Jason, I realized through experience and advice from mentors that I was wasting my time. You can introduce yourself at the toss and by midway through the first quarter they won’t remember either one of your names. And how many times do you honestly think the captains go back to the tunnel and tell their running backs and receivers what you said about getting the ball back to the umpire? The answer is never. They’re more concerned about pumping up the team for the run-through and getting ready for kickoff. And since you mention it, it maters even less in middle school games where most of the time they don’t even have “real” captains. 99% of the time they’re captains because it was their turn to do the toss or they raised their hand the fastest when we told the coach we were ready for captains.
Again, you do you, but generally the only person who cares about about whats being said is the person saying it.
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If it seems to me that the captains refused to acknowledge the other captains (handshake, fist bump, wave, etc.) on purpose, then each would get one unsportsmanlike conduct foul, and a 15-yard penalty would be enforced on the kickoff (NCAA). If it was NFHS, then the UNS penalty would be multiplied by the number of captains there. That said, I'm not a white hat, so I don't think I'd have to deal with these shenanigans. I'm a deep guy, so I really only escort the captains to the Referee. They come back on their own.
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Again, you do you, but generally the only person who cares about about whats being said is the person saying it.
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Agree its important that "You do you". An important part of this "Meeting of the Captains" is to clearly establish WHO is in charge of the game about to be played. What you say and/or how you say it, is entirely UP TO YOU, what matters is that the Captains understand that YOU ( and your crew) are in CHARGE - NOT their Coaches, NOT their parents, NOT the spectators.
Best to keep it simple, but they need to UNDERSTAND who they need to listen to regarding behavior, and/or interaction with their opponents. If (YOU decide that same message needs to be given to either/both Coaching Staffs), best to do that BEFORE the game starts, rather than after something STUPID happens.
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That must have been a very uncomfortable dilemma.
When the captains come out for the coin toss I simply begin with; "Gentlemen shake hands an introduce yourself!"
Quite frankly, I have never had anyone refuse to do so any any level in 45 years?
I end with, "OK Men, shake hands again and lets play football."
Other than the fist bumps during COVID, never been an issue.
This team needs to be reported to your state association and if you are writing something;
take a look at page 102 of the 2021 Rules Book for very helpful wording.
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I ask themselves to introduce themselves before the toss.
A couple of years ago I had a kid who just wanted to stare at the other team's captains like he was all hard or something.
I told him that if he didn't have the maturity to serve as a captain I could just send him back to the sideline and have the coach send me another player who was mature enough to accept that role. It embarrassed the hell out of him and he then shook with the other team's captains.
I also had my H inform his coach what happened and how we dealt with it.
His coach thanked me at halftime.
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When we added 1-1-5 back in 2001, we Mainers put our thinking caps on. We decided to require the head coaches to come with their captains to the coin toss. My spiel once at midfield :
"Coach and captains of the Warf Rats, please greet the coach and captains of the Clam Crunchers...."
...Coaches shake hands with each other, then with the opposing captains. The captains follow.
"Coaches and captains do you agree to play by the NFHS Sportsmanship Code ?"
...The response is usually : "AYUH, 'spect so!"
"Coaches, you may return to your sidelines. Captains, you were elected not because of your athletic abilities but because of your leadership skills. Will you agree to help us keep your teammates under control ?"
...The response is usually : "AYUH, 'spect so!"
(COIN TOSS)
Game clocks are set to hit 0:00 at 10 minutes prior to game. Player intros, Star Spangled Banner, Coin Toss... we always start on time (except Parents Night).
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It's amazing how often simple common sense, and the ability to "act like the adult" can eliminate really stupid and/or childish behavior.
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"Our flag should be the last tool we use to address an issue, not the first." Golden! One of my points to this scenario, that only happened once in my long career, is that we are constantly being bombarded by "sportsmanship" reminders from the NFHS. I was glad to see the NFL cracking down on it this year. There was a clear division in the NCAA conferences on how they dealt with sportsmanship. Just my observation, but I thought there was a lot more trash talking in the SEC then the MAC. (there were a lot more cameras in the SEC) The SEC also made a lot more money. We are being constantly reminded by the NFHS to enforce Unsportsmanlike Fouls in order to promote the true meaning of extracurricular activities. We don't want to be uniform police, rules interpreters for the head coach, the "Bad Guy."
One solution would be that the NFHS come up with some type of chain in command. From the national level, to the state, to the region, to the section, to the association. Where, in order to retain officials, someone above the schools would do something about "incidents." I'm not talking about ejections, I'd love to type a simple email to explain that the reason the game was delayed 10 minutes was because the Head Coach insisted that the defensive holding call enforcement was 5 yards and an automatic first down. Someone would get a hold of the schools administration and someone in the coaches chain of command would ask the coach why he didn't know the rules of the sport he's being paid to coach. Maybe there is such a chain of command and it's been hidden from me for 30 years. I think we all should know who to report to if we see anything unsportsmanlike and knowing something will be followed up on. This would help officiating get out of the recruiting rut we are in. Last years season started with a touchdown reception and the receiver standing over the defender dropping the ball on his helmet. Flaggs flew from many directions. The head coach then screamed at me, "You're the reason I have only 23 players on my roster! You make it no fun!" New rule for 2023: Stupidity is an automatic ejection. Recess is coming my friends and the NFHS needs to take a different approach if they want to stop it...
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Granted, I'm usually not within earshot of coaches on touchdown plays, but if they act a fool, they will pay. Players act foolish, they're going to get a talking-to, or if the act is egregious enough, an immediate flag. Taunting is a no-no, and so is demonstrating disrespect (deliberately refusing to shake a captain's hand). There is no room for a Sean Avery on the football field.
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I would prefer that the current signs that read:
[/NO ALCOHOL , TOBACCO , OR FIREARMS
BE EXPANDED TO :
NO ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS OR CELLPHONES
In MMHO, most cellphones have cameras..most cameras will be recording every play. Not every fan will be happy with our call on every play. We will be reminded again..and again...and again. b]
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Granted, I'm usually not within earshot of coaches on touchdown plays, but if they act a fool, they will pay. Players act foolish, they're going to get a talking-to, or if the act is egregious enough, an immediate flag. Taunting is a no-no, and so is demonstrating disrespect (deliberately refusing to shake a captain's hand). There is no room for a Sean Avery on the football field.
"One-upsmanship" and "Taunting" are the seeds from which fights and riots grow. If your objective is putting out fires, started over STUPID behavior, allow them to proceed, unchecked.
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it seems to me that if the NFHS wants to crack down on sportsmanship they should make the taunting on a touchdown enforced from the spot of the taunt and take away the score....this would light a fire under the coaches to rein in their players
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it seems to me that if the NFHS wants to crack down on sportsmanship they should make the taunting on a touchdown enforced from the spot of the taunt and take away the score....this would light a fire under the coaches to rein in their players
I agree. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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ralph....has enforcing taunting from the spot of the foul on a score ever been discussed ....i know it would have to be an "exception"...but probably worth the change
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ralph....has enforcing taunting from the spot of the foul on a score ever been discussed ....i know it would have to be an "exception"...but probably worth the change
I’m thinking way back there (maybe in the days of the leather helmets) we used to enforce taunting as a live ball personal foul. But I admit, my memory is not as good as it used to be. Along about the time when somersaulting into the end zone was considered cool.
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It was discussed a few years ago but never made it out of sub-committee. It was felt that increasing the severity of the penalty would decrease the number of times called and it was felt that it may not currently be called enough. While I'm two years younger than our current president, I'm probably older than many of you and can't recall USC ever being treated as a live ball foul.
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It was discussed a few years ago but never made it out of sub-committee. It was felt that increasing the severity of the penalty would decrease the number of times called and it was felt that it may not currently be called enough. While I'm two years younger than our current president, I'm probably older than many of you and can't recall USC ever being treated as a live ball foul.
Its as old as time; When consequences go down, frequency goes UP, When consequences go up, frequency goes DOWN, and/or the more you ignore the more you'll have to deal with.
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Not a foul. It might not be sportsmanlike, but it does not rise to the level of Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
You're going to make them come back out and your going to make them shake hands? How? How many flags are you going to throw and how many players and coaches are you going to DQ before the kickoff?
Don't be a pioneer. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
It's their game, not ours. The players and coaches have a lot more invested than we do. I'm not there to draw attention to myself.
I say something about sportsmanship to the coach and captains before the game because I am required to. I am positive the coach and captains do not repeated my words to the entire team. So my words are nearly meaningless. What the crew does and says during the game is of much greater importance.
I'm the R. The coin toss is mine. If you drop a flag because you think they should shake hands I am going to pick it up and wave it off. Then I am going to have words about you disrespecting me.
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Not a foul. It might not be sportsmanlike, but it does not rise to the level of Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
Which code are you referencing? My 2021 NFHS Rule Book defines "Unsportsmanlike Conduct(by players- 9-5-1) as, "No player shall act in an Unsportsmanlike manner ONCE THE GAME OFFICIALS ASSUME AUTHORITY FOR THE CONTEST. Subsections A & F seem to contradict your conclusion. NFHS 9-8-1 USC by NonPlayers seems to share similar intent (supported by Subsection examples A(Note).
Of course how each of us interprets & understands these rules is our own personal decision. However establishing, and subsequently maintaining a civil & appropriate competitive attitude is a major officiating objective. Allowing any sort of Unsportsmanlike conduct, or behavior is a primary responsibility of the Game Officials and allowing ANY such behavior by participants and/or supervising staff is a recipe for encouraging additional such behavior.
That choice is determined by the Officiating crew at each game, who must live with the consequences of their choice.
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Al - disagree with "Of course how each of us interprets & understands these rules is our own personal decision."
If an official chooses to distinguish themselves by throwing UNS flags in the coin toss,
I would certainly hope said official has the complete support of his/her commissioner(assigner) and his/her state rules interpreter?
This would be an example of a rule interpretation that needs to be supported by your state rather than your own personal decision!
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My Chrystal ball is surmising, just before Alf fell off his stool, he was preparing to reference Rule 9-5-1f?
ART. 1...No player shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner one the game officials assume authority for the contest. Example are, but not limited to:
f. Refusing to comply with a game officials request.
Alf? Am I correct?
Alas typing skills remain a challenge thankfully I have learned "Fire prevention" is usually far less consequential than "Fire Fighting".
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Not a foul. It might not be sportsmanlike, but it does not rise to the level of Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
You're going to make them come back out and your going to make them shake hands? How? How many flags are you going to throw and how many players and coaches are you going to DQ before the kickoff?
Don't be a pioneer. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
It's their game, not ours. The players and coaches have a lot more invested than we do. I'm not there to draw attention to myself.
I say something about sportsmanship to the coach and captains before the game became I am required to. I am positive the coach and captains do not repeated my words to the entire team. So my words are nearly meaningless. What the crew does and says during the game is of much greater importance.
I'm the R. The coin toss is mine. If you drop a flag because you think they should shake hands I am going to pick it up and wave it off. Then I am going to have words about you disrespecting me.
I agree completely. My job at the coin toss is to remind them that they should play the game as good sports, not to make them like each other. It’s possible to be sportsmanlike before, during, and after the game without ever shaking hands.
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I agree completely. My job at the coin toss is to remind them that they should play the game as good sports, not to make them like each other. It’s possible to be sportsmanlike before, during, and after the game without ever shaking hands.
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When in doubt, consult the "Rule 2" of language, a Dictionary: Sportsmanlike: Pertaining to sportsmen; honorable; generous; confirming to the rules of sportsmanship. Sportsmanship: 1 The art or practice of field sports. 2. Honorable or sportsmanlike conduct.
The NFHS "Coin Flip" is intended as a meeting to start a "Friendly Contest" between competitive teams of "Teenagers". Its NOT a meeting between opposing War Chiefs before starting a battle, although if YOU allow one side to start it that way, it can easily become one. that YOU & YOUR CREW will have to deal with.
"Stupid is as Stupid does" (or allows to happen). That choice is your's to make.
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When in doubt, consult the "Rule 2" of language, a Dictionary: Sportsmanlike: Pertaining to sportsmen; honorable; generous; confirming to the rules of sportsmanship. Sportsmanship: 1 The art or practice of field sports. 2. Honorable or sportsmanlike conduct.
The NFHS "Coin Flip" is intended as a meeting to start a "Friendly Contest" between competitive teams of "Teenagers". Its NOT a meeting between opposing War Chiefs before starting a battle, although if YOU allow one side to start it that way, it can easily become one. that YOU & YOUR CREW will have to deal with.
"Stupid is as Stupid does" (or allows to happen). That choice is your's to make.
Like I said, opposing teams can be sportsmanlike without shaking hands... or even liking one another.
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This really happened, Standing at mid field, I flip my coin (1886 liberty silver dollar) The U he's 6'5" leans in to hear the captain 's call . the coin goes over his head and down the inside back of his shirt.
Both pairs of captain's & myself are looking for the coin. Where the hell did it go?
The U starts laughing, he starts wiggling and shacking his leg and coin pops out on the ground.
Tails.
I used my spare flag to pick it up.
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This really happened, Standing at mid field, I flip my coin (1886 liberty silver dollar) The U he's 6'5" leans in to hear the captain 's call . the coin goes over his head and down the inside back of his shirt.
Both pairs of captain's & myself are looking for the coin. Where the hell did it go?
The U starts laughing, he starts wiggling and shacking his leg and coin pops out on the ground.
Tails.
I used my spare flag to pick it up.
which is why you ask the captain for his choice BEFORE you flip the coin
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When in doubt, consult the "Rule 2" of language, a Dictionary: Sportsmanlike: Pertaining to sportsmen; honorable; generous; confirming to the rules of sportsmanship. Sportsmanship: 1 The art or practice of field sports. 2. Honorable or sportsmanlike conduct.
The NFHS "Coin Flip" is intended as a meeting to start a "Friendly Contest" between competitive teams of "Teenagers". Its NOT a meeting between opposing War Chiefs before starting a battle, although if YOU allow one side to start it that way, it can easily become one. that YOU & YOUR CREW will have to deal with.
"Stupid is as Stupid does" (or allows to happen). That choice is your's to make.
Stupid is a really strong word Al.
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Which code are you referencing? My 2021 NFHS Rule Book defines "Unsportsmanlike Conduct(by players- 9-5-1) as, "No player shall act in an Unsportsmanlike manner ONCE THE GAME OFFICIALS ASSUME AUTHORITY FOR THE CONTEST. Subsections A & F seem to contradict your conclusion. NFHS 9-8-1 USC by NonPlayers seems to share similar intent (supported by Subsection examples A(Note).
Of course how each of us interprets & understands these rules is our own personal decision. However establishing, and subsequently maintaining a civil & appropriate competitive attitude is a major officiating objective. Allowing any sort of Unsportsmanlike conduct, or behavior is a primary responsibility of the Game Officials and allowing any such behavior by participants and/or supervising staff is a recipe for encouraging additional such behavior.
That choice is determined by the Officiating crew at each game, who must live with the consequences of their choice.
"Seem to?"
I don't officiate that way. Make it be there.
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Stupid is a really strong word Al.
I'm not suggesting anyone in particular is "Stupid", but we are ALL liable for being considered as such by the behaviors we (Ourselves) elect to exhibit, tolerate or recommend. Blatant & unnecessary actions / words / deeds designed, or intended to project or encourage hostility are inherently DESTRUCTIVE and should be immediately dealt with and rejected.
The NFHS Officials Manual advises "If the potential value of game experience are to be attained, it is necessary that the actions of the players be in conformity to the rules. Game Officials must accept the RESPONSIBILITY of enforcing the letter AS WELL AS THE SPIRIT, of the rules promptly and with consistency."
That responsibility extends to anyone/everyone DIRECTLY associated with the operation of the contest.
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I'm not suggesting anyone in particular is "Stupid", but we are ALL liable for being considered as such by the behaviors we (Ourselves) elect to exhibit, tolerate or recommend. Blatant & unnecessary actions / words / deeds designed, or intended to project or encourage hostility are inherently DESTRUCTIVE and should be immediately dealt with and rejected.
The NFHS Officials Manual advises "If the potential value of game experience are to be attained, it is necessary that the actions of the players be in conformity to the rules. Game Officials must accept the RESPONSIBILITY of enforcing the letter AS WELL AS THE SPIRIT, of the rules promptly and with consistency."
That responsibility extends to anyone/everyone DIRECTLY associated with the operation of the contest.
Still doesn’t mean someone who handles a situation different than you is stupid. That’s a strong word.
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Still doesn’t mean someone who handles a situation different than you is stupid. That’s a strong word.
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I NEVER suggested "Someone who handles a situation different than me, is "stupid". I acknowledged that we are each entitled to our OWN decisions & conclusions, on the handling of many matters, but cautioned that those decisions may very likely reflect on how we are (EACH)
ubsequently perceived.
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I NEVER suggested "Someone who handles a situation different than me, is "stupid". I acknowledged that we are each entitled to our OWN decisions & conclusions, on the handling of many matters, but cautioned that those decisions may very likely reflect on how we are (EACH)
ubsequently perceived.
"Stupid is as Stupid does" (or allows to happen). That choice is your's to make.”
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Not quite sure where you're trying to go with this. Who/What is usually determined to be stupid, is usually established by What action/comment/behavior we've EACH CHOSEN to actually do/say. Since EACH OF US usually determines & decides what WE choose to say/do/ behave like, the value of OUR decision reflects on us.
Our avocation provides extensive opportunities to render OUR personal informed assessments & conclusions about judgments we are empowered and expected to regularly make, many of which are subject to uninformed question and/or doubt. Making such judgments without the necessary extensive study, ongoing assessment and exhaustive review expose EACH of us to speculation regarding our intelligence. It's a risk EACH of has to accept.
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Man you really can’t ever accept that you’re wrong? “Stupid is as stupid does” was a definite jab at fellow officials. A bit of humbleness wouldn’t be a bad thing.
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Time to break out the keyboard Kaopectate.....
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This thread has outlived it’s usefulness.