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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: ElvisLives on March 07, 2023, 09:57:43 AM
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See official NCAA rule change PROPOSAL document, attached.
Will the UIL accept these changes? All indications, so far, is yes, but, personally, I can't see them adopting the replay rule change, which would allow the use of replay without an RO. They'd have to have equipment on the sideline, and I just don't see the UIL wanting to "go there." I'd guess they'll continue to only allow replay in the Championship games. They may be OK with requiring coaches to toss a 'challenge flag' for challenges (during those games). Where will they get the flags? What will they look like? Hmm. Does each NFL team have a little red flag stationed on every sideline, for this purpose? ;D
The other changes? Probably. In NCAA, especially, not stopping the clock for first downs inbounds is only logical, considering it was only stopping for one or two seconds in many cases (even though, by rule, it should not have re-started until the ball was ready-for-play). Obviously, despite lack of direction to do so, many TASO officials copied what the NCAA guys were doing. This will take a few minutes off the game clock, per game (2 mins - to 5 mins, I'd guess). Not a major crisis - just further erosion of playing time, stealing the time from the players, most of whom only get some 30-40 games to play in their entire lives.
No more freezing the kicker with two or three back-to-back time outs. No complaint here.
UIL already has a drone policy.
Halftime management - I can see the UIL taking exception to this, as in, no need for it, for UIL football. But, you never know. If the adopt it, this will be something more they'll want us to be responsible for, because they can't/won't be sportsmen, and take personal responsibility for.
All moot, until the PROP takes action, in late April. We'll see then, what the UIL does.
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I can answer one of your questions, where can you get the red challange flags. Little League supply such flags for their umpires to throw if a runner leaves his/her base early prior to the pitcher releasing the pitch. Back in 2009, the City of Bangor was celebrating the 50th annanniversary of the Packer/Giant exibition game held at the same field as a high school game. For the game we all wore solid black caps and used red flags, as it were in the day. The local Little League supplied the flags.
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I can answer one of your questions, where can you get the red challange flags. Little League supply such flags for their umpires to throw if a runner leaves his/her base early prior to the pitcher releasing the pitch. Back in 2009, the City of Bangor was celebrating the 50th annanniversary of the Packer/Giant exibition game held at the same field as a high school game. For the game we all wore solid black caps and used red flags, as it were in the day. The local Little League supplied the flags.
As Julio used to say on Sanford and Son, "It's not my job, man." If they wanna throw a flag, let 'em get their own dang flags.
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Stopping and Starting the Clock – First Downs (Rule 3-3-2-e-1)
When Team A (offense) gains a first down, the clock will no longer be stopped to award a first
down except with less than two minutes remaining in the 2nd and 4th quarters.
If I am not mistaken, the above is the NFL two minute warning rule? If adopted by the UIL, it might be a bit confusing for us clock operators at first, since there has not been a two minute warning rule at the high school level.
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… since there has not been a two minute warning rule at the high school level.
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Have had to use it a few times in varsity games when the field clock failed, and we kept time on the field. And many, many times in sub-varsity games.
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Have had to use it a few times in varsity games when the field clock failed, and we kept time on the field. And many, many times in sub-varsity games.
I stand corrected :)
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Stopping and Starting the Clock – First Downs (Rule 3-3-2-e-1)
When Team A (offense) gains a first down, the clock will no longer be stopped to award a first
down except with less than two minutes remaining in the 2nd and 4th quarters.
If I am not mistaken, the above is the NFL two minute warning rule? If adopted by the UIL, it might be a bit confusing for us clock operators at first, since there has not been a two minute warning rule at the high school level.
It’s not. Still not stopping at 2 minutes. Just after a first down inside the 2 minutes.
That said, Texas will reject. They may compromise and go to running clock after reset on out of bounds.
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It’s not. Still not stopping at 2 minutes. Just after a first down inside the 2 minutes.
That said, Texas will reject. They may compromise and go to running clock after reset on out of bounds.
I'd like to stick with 100% NCAA timing rules. If they are afraid of losing time then play 13 min qtrs and use all timing rules.
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I'd like to stick with 100% NCAA timing rules. If they are afraid of losing time then play 13 min qtrs and use all timing rules.
I just want the UIL to decide quickly and let us know. I’ve got a timing presentation to give in a few weeks, and I need to know!
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TASO is conducting a new rules (timing) online training on May 10. I don't know if that means they've heard from the UIL that the UIL has OKed NCAA rules changes or not, but it would seem like it.
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TASO is conducting a new rules (timing) online training on May 10. I don't know if that means they've heard from the UIL that the UIL has OKed NCAA rules changes or not, but it would seem like it.
Yeah, that is what Elvis is speaking of. He is doing the training.
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That said, Texas will reject. They may compromise and go to running clock after reset on out of bounds.
I've not heard such from anyone else. Your source? This would be totally counterproductive to rejecting the running clock on first downs inbounds (FDIB). Even if the UIL adopted such a rule, and they directed that the game clock would re-start when the ball is "ready for play," you know dang well that the cool kids will treat this just like the NCAA guys and will re-start the game clock almost instantly after it is stopped for the out of bounds. You end up with the same result as with the FDIB. Actually, more real time will be expended in the OB scenario, because 1) there are more OB downs than there are first downs, and 2) it will take more time to get a replacement ball into the game (during which time the game clock will have been improperly re-started), and get the teams ready for the next down than with FDIB. And there just aren't enough UIL commercially televised games to justify this action.
As bad for the game as these time-stealing rule changes are for the NCAA (all for the sole sake of commercial TV), they simply have no place in UIL football.
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Finalized UIL exceptions are planned to be available by end of next week (i.e on or before May 5th)
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How can the UIL finalize the exceptions before the actual wording of the new rules is in print anywhere? There’s nothing to make exceptions to.
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How can the UIL finalize the exceptions before the actual wording of the new rules is in print anywhere? There’s nothing to make exceptions to.
The UIL can certainly make exceptions to some of the proposed changes, with just the conceptual language that has been presented. For example, we have already heard that they will NOT adopt the running clock on first downs inbounds. The UIL will simply state that this rule does not apply to UIL football. No need to know final language. Carry on as in 2022.
And they can/will do that for each of the items they will not adopt.
They need do nothing for the items they WILL adopt.
Now, if they UIL elects to adopt part of a rule change, then, yeah, they’ll need to the final NCAA language to know exactly how to take exception to the part(s) they don’t want.
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Y'all will need to tune in to the TASO webinar on 5/10. You will get the UIL's rule changes, which include the NCAA rule changes that they WILL adopt, and those that they will NOT adopt, and maybe a surprise or two. Be there or be [square, round, obtuse, freeform, or whatever politically correct descriptive noun you choose].
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Y'all will need to tune in to the TASO webinar on 5/10. You will get the UIL's rule changes, which include the NCAA rule changes that they WILL adopt, and those that they will NOT adopt, and maybe a surprise or two. Be there or be [square, round, obtuse, freeform, or whatever politically correct descriptive noun you choose].
Do you know if TASO have put up a registration link for the above mentioned webinar? Although, I think the last webinar email I received was for the April 29th crew chief one.
Will be attending to get the lowdown on the new timing rules (assuming the UIL adopts them).
Regardless if you are an on field official or clock operator, it's always good to know new rules before the season starts tiphat:
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Do you know if TASO have put up a registration link for the above mentioned webinar? Although, I think the last webinar email I received was for the April 29th crew chief one.
The reminder e-mail notice has already been sent out to TASO members (received by me on April 25). But, it is Wednesday, May 10, 7:00 pm. The link to register for the webinar is also located under the Football Clinics & Events section on the Football page of the TASO website ("TASO Virtual Training Webinar - Timing and 2023 Rule Changes").
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The reminder e-mail notice has already been sent out to TASO members (received by me on April 25). But, it is Wednesday, May 10, 7:00 pm. The link to register for the webinar is also located under the Football Clinics & Events section on the Football page of the TASO website ("TASO Virtual Training Webinar - Timing and 2023 Rule Changes").
Managed to find the email in my trash and registered for the webinar.
Now I can finally put a face to the name ;D
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Managed to find the email in my trash and registered for the webinar.
Now I can finally put a face to the name ;D
That’s a scary thought (for you). 😉
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UIL Exception 48 is an odd one. Anybody have insight to this?
https://www.uiltexas.org/files/athletics/2023_Football_Rule_Changes_-_UIL_Application.pdf
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UIL Exception 48 is an odd one. Anybody have insight to this?
https://www.uiltexas.org/files/athletics/2023_Football_Rule_Changes_-_UIL_Application.pdf
Not even an exception but a new rule created by UIL. Seems a solution in search of a problem.
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UIL Exception 48 is an odd one. Anybody have insight to this?
https://www.uiltexas.org/files/athletics/2023_Football_Rule_Changes_-_UIL_Application.pdf
Tune in next Wednesday evening and I'll give ya the full scoop.
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When will this be on the TASO site to watch?