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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: RDC on May 04, 2023, 10:01:02 AM
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this is a very handy tool for officials.
I ask it to make little Acronyms to memorize conditions for rules. example :
6 conditions for DPI: HG CAPPIN B
Hook and turn
Grab and restrict
Cut off
Arm bar
Playing thru defenders back
Blocking downfield on a forward pass.
HG CAPPIN B
I havn't explored what it knows about the rules. but it does know the rules and will try to interpret them. more on this later as time allows.
anyhoo, memorizing rules, or penalties, adjusting for rules changes, just starting out, CHATGPT's a valuable resource
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I've been playing around with this at work exploring various ideas, but didn't realize it had rulebook knowledge - this is awesome! I'll report back anything interesting I can get it to do.
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also: for your DPI example, it might be easier to remember CHAPPING B.
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this is a very handy tool for officials.
I ask it to make little Acronyms to memorize conditions for rules. example :
6 conditions for DPI: HG CAPPIN B
Hook and turn
Grab and restrict
Cut off
Arm bar
Playing thru defenders back
Blocking downfield on a forward pass.
HG CAPPIN B
I havn't explored what it knows about the rules. but it does know the rules and will try to interpret them. more on this later as time allows.
anyhoo, memorizing rules, or penalties, adjusting for rules changes, just starting out, CHATGPT's a valuable resource
Blocking down field is OPI, not DPI.
I've always used PF CHANG (minus the F, which used to be faceguarding). Learned that on one of these message boards a while back.
P = Playing through the Back
(F = Faceguarding. Not applicable.)
C = Cutoff
H = Hook and Turn
A = Arm Bar
N = Not playing the ball with early contact.
G = Grabbing the arm / Holding
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Just a warning on ChatGPT - it will make up responses that sound plausible, but are false. It can be a tool to help you with summarizing information (like the original "make a study guide for me") but note that it wasn't fully correct if you made it find the information on its own.
If you ask it to interpret a rule or come up with a case play, for example, it will be probably be very wrong. So, don't let it be a substitute for your own judgement.
TL;DR - It can be a useful tool, but a screwdriver doesn't help you drive a nail.
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Very true. In my specific line of work, it can cause issues (alongside the issues of sensitive information being uploaded to the AI and stored who knows where.)
Here's an example of incorrect-ness:
Me: Give me a case play involving a roughing the passer penalty, describe the foul, and where the ball will be placed using NCAA rules
ChatGPT: Sure, here's an example of a roughing the passer penalty in a college football game under NCAA rules:
Scenario: During a pass play, the quarterback throws the ball and is hit by a defensive player after the ball has left his hand. The hit is late and excessive, causing the quarterback to fall to the ground.
Foul: Roughing the passer penalty. This is a violation of NCAA football rule 9-1-4, which states that a defensive player may not "make forcible contact with the passer after the ball has left his hand" or "initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below."
Consequence: The penalty for roughing the passer is 15 yards, and the opposing team will be awarded an automatic first down. In this scenario, the ball will be placed 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, which is the spot where the quarterback released the ball. If the play resulted in a first down, the new series will begin at the spot where the ball was downed after the penalty was enforced. If the play did not result in a first down, the ball will be moved forward 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, and a new first down will be awarded to the offensive team.
Me: That is an incorrect rule reference. 9-1-4 addresses targeting, which this is not. What is the correct rule reference?
ChatGPT: I apologize for the error in my previous response. You are correct that rule 9-1-4 in NCAA football addresses targeting, not roughing the passer. The correct rule reference for roughing the passer in NCAA football is Rule 9-1-3:
Rule: Roughing the passer penalty. Rule 9-1-3 in NCAA football states that a defender may not "hit a passer forcibly at or below the knee level, even if the initial contact is above the knee." In addition, a defender may not "make forcible contact with the passer that is clearly unnecessary" or "initiate contact with the passer who is in a defenseless posture."
Consequence: The penalty for roughing the passer in NCAA football is 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, and an automatic first down is awarded to the offensive team. If the foul occurs during a play that resulted in a first down, the new series will begin at the spot where the ball was downed after the penalty was enforced. If the play did not result in a first down, the ball will be moved forward 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, and a new first down will be awarded to the offensive team.
Me: Rule 9-1-3 is also incorrect.
ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion and any inconvenience caused. The correct rule reference for roughing the passer penalty in NCAA football is Rule 9-1-4-c, which states:
"A defensive player shall not use the hand(s) or arm(s) to initiate contact to the head or neck area of a passer who is in a passing posture (exception: a defender may use his hands/arms to ward off or push an offensive blocker’s hands/arms from him), or make forcible contact with the passer that is either unnecessary roughness or roughing the passer. This does not apply to a defender who is blocked (blocked meaning contact by an offensive player that deflects the defender from his path) into the passer."
Consequence: The penalty for roughing the passer in NCAA football is 15 yards from the previous spot and an automatic first down is awarded to the offensive team. If the foul occurs during a play that resulted in a first down, the new series will begin at the spot where the ball was downed after the penalty was enforced. If the play did not result in a first down, the ball will be moved forward 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, and a new first down will be awarded to the offensive team.
It's obviously not perfect, likely never will be, but I can still see value and opportunity here. You could create an entire quiz around a specific rule (assuming you check the answers.) I might try to do that later.
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The current value of these Large Language Model tools is that they do the grunt work, ie. eg. write plausible play scenarios for a quiz. It probably will still take you almost as long a time as it did before, as you still have to analyze each scenario and the purported answer. But at least for me that would be more fun than inventing scenarios and writing them out long-hand :)
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exactly, that's the worst part for me as I lack the creativity to come up with good scenarios on my own.
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Hrmph, tried ChatGPT and found out that figuring out a good enough prompt takes more time than writing the actual play situations from scratch...
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IMHO, we on the NFHS side have only 'TIPS' as an aide to running time in states where that is allowed :
T = team timeouts.
I = injuries
P = penalty enforcement
S = scores
SOMETIMES IT IS HARDER TO REMEMBER SHORTCUTS TO MAKE THINGS EASIER.......author unknown
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IMHO, we on the NFHS side have only 'TIPS' as an aide to running time in states where that is allowed :
T = team timeouts.
I = injuries
P = penalty enforcement
S = scores
SOMETIMES IT IS HARDER TO REMEMBER SHORTCUTS TO MAKE THINGS EASIER.......author unknown
I like S.P.I.T. better ;D
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I like S.P.I.T. better ;D
You must have been a Scrabble wizard tiphat:
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Consequence: The penalty for roughing the passer is 15 yards, and the opposing team will be awarded an automatic first down. In this scenario, the ball will be placed 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, which is the spot where the quarterback released the ball. If the play resulted in a first down, the new series will begin at the spot where the ball was downed after the penalty was enforced. If the play did not result in a first down, the ball will be moved forward 15 yards from the previous line of scrimmage, and a new first down will be awarded to the offensive team.
"...where the ball was downed after the penalty was enforced..." What is that gibberish? Again, that is an example of the problem, not only with AI, but with the rules not being written with tightly defined language. The term 'down' (adverb) or 'downed' (transitive verb), as it relates to the ball becoming dead by the ball carrier having some part of his body other than hand or foot touching the ground, is not defined, or used in the actual rules. Even if there was a definition of a ball carrier being 'down' or 'downed', it would only apply to live-ball action. With, or without, definition, to associate the words 'down' or 'downed' with the placement of the ball following the enforcement of a penalty is not appropriate. A fully correct statement would be, "If Team A advanced the ball beyond the line-to-gain, the new series will begin at the succeeding spot, following enforcement of the distance penalty from the end of the related run." AI has a lot to learn to be truthful, accurate, and of any value.