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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: juxone on September 25, 2023, 09:46:25 AM

Title: A Deadhorse-- ??
Post by: juxone on September 25, 2023, 09:46:25 AM
 I was reading a post that said  "Although it's basic and straightforward, rules regarding kicks cause a lot of confusion, hesitation and brain farts. As pointed out above, "A kick is a kick until it's no longer a kick", and the ONLY things that end a kick is being blow dead by rule and player POSSESSION.

Perhaps the frequency of confusion in this situation is caused by the Goal Line. Kicks touched by R (beyond the scrimmage line) recovered IN THE FIELD OF PLAY, belong to whomever recovered.  Whereas, no matter how many times, or by whom, a kick is touched, the instant it touches/crosses R's goal line, the ball is dead (by rule) and is a Touchback.

Whatever happens after the ball crosses the goal, happens to a DEAD ball."   

of course, this made me ponder -- What happens if B catches the punt that went into the endzone, can't he ELECT to run it out or is just blown dead--REGARDLESS
Title: Re: A Deadhorse-- ??
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on September 25, 2023, 11:02:16 AM
The answer is in your post.  Once the ball crosses the goal line it is dead by rule and we should have an immediate whistle. 
Title: Re: A Deadhorse-- ??
Post by: Fatso on September 25, 2023, 11:54:55 AM
If he's in his own endzone, it's dead before he even catches it.  The instant the ball crosses the plane of the goal line, it's dead.
Title: Re: A Deadhorse-- ??
Post by: Ralph Damren on September 25, 2023, 11:57:20 AM
Allowing airborne kicks to be ran out of the EZ has been on the docket several times, but with little/no support. IMHO -

FREE KICKS = MOST DANGEROUS PLAY IN FOOTBALL = ADDING 10 YARDS RETURNABLE TURF = NOT FOR HIGH SCHOOL AGE KIDS

SAFTEY FIRST  tiphat:
Title: Re: A Deadhorse-- ??
Post by: CalhounLJ on September 25, 2023, 01:27:36 PM
I was reading a post that said  "Although it's basic and straightforward, rules regarding kicks cause a lot of confusion, hesitation and brain farts. As pointed out above, "A kick is a kick until it's no longer a kick", and the ONLY things that end a kick is being blow dead by rule and player POSSESSION.

Perhaps the frequency of confusion in this situation is caused by the Goal Line. Kicks touched by R (beyond the scrimmage line) recovered IN THE FIELD OF PLAY, belong to whomever recovered.  Whereas, no matter how many times, or by whom, a kick is touched, the instant it touches/crosses R's goal line, the ball is dead (by rule) and is a Touchback.

Whatever happens after the ball crosses the goal, happens to a DEAD ball."   

of course, this made me ponder -- What happens if B catches the punt that went into the endzone, can't he ELECT to run it out or is just blown dead--REGARDLESS

B caught a dead ball.
Title: Re: A Deadhorse-- ??
Post by: dammitbobby on September 25, 2023, 01:33:09 PM
Not overly familiar with Fed rules - would it still be a touchback if B (or A) illegally kicked or batted the ball into the EZ, and enforced from the touchback spot?
Title: Re: A Deadhorse-- ??
Post by: CalhounLJ on September 25, 2023, 02:02:27 PM
Not overly familiar with Fed rules - would it still be a touchback if B (or A) illegally kicked or batted the ball into the EZ, and enforced from the touchback spot?

Correct in that it would still be a touchback, because force is not a factor on kicks going into R's endzone. Basic spot would be 20. If the kick was behind basic spot, it would be enforced from spot of foul.