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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: fcardon@sbcglobal.net on October 29, 2023, 08:44:22 PM

Title: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: fcardon@sbcglobal.net on October 29, 2023, 08:44:22 PM: In the included clip, watch the second play. What would the ruling be in high school?

https://youtu.be/0e-1Uvx-wLE?si=dDegDENbSVrsCGum
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: GA Umpire on October 29, 2023, 08:58:34 PM: Quote from: fcardon@sbcglobal.net on October 29, 2023, 08:44:22 PM
In the included clip, watch the second play. What would the ruling be in high school?

https://youtu.be/0e-1Uvx-wLE?si=dDegDENbSVrsCGum
The ruling would be the same, SAFETY.

8-5-2b
8.5.2 Situation B
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: fcardon@sbcglobal.net on October 29, 2023, 09:05:10 PM: But look at 8.5.3 situation A

and rule 8.5.3c

8-5-2b refers to forcing the ball over their own goal line. This play forces the ball over the opponents goal line. Therefore "Touchback".
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: GA Umpire on October 29, 2023, 11:27:34 PM: Quote from: fcardon@sbcglobal.net on October 29, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
But look at 8.5.3 situation A

and rule 8.5.3c

8-5-2b refers to forcing the ball over their own goal line. This play forces the ball over the opponents goal line. Therefore "Touchback".

The Receiving Team did not possess the ball at any time that I can see in the video. The ball was loose at all times, so it is a muff.
Safety.
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: fcardon@sbcglobal.net on October 30, 2023, 06:05:17 AM: There was no receiving team. No kick was involved.
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: CalhounLJ on October 30, 2023, 06:31:18 AM: In NFHS a new force can be added to a grounded fumble, which is what this was. B put the ball into the end zone, and so A is awarded a touchback.
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: Ralph Damren on October 30, 2023, 06:38:01 AM: Once the ball was fumbled, I didn't see any muffs by A until the ball reached the EZ = touchback.
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: Fatso on October 30, 2023, 07:28:16 AM: Quote from: Ralph Damren on October 30, 2023, 06:38:01 AM
Once the ball was fumbled, I didn't see any muffs by A until the ball reached the EZ = touchback.
Is that a safety in NCAA or did the officials get it wrong?
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: bama_stripes on October 30, 2023, 08:29:58 AM: FED: I have a TB. The ball was never going to go into A’s EZ with the initial force of the fumble. It was B’s muff(s) that provided such force.
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: bossman72 on October 30, 2023, 08:51:08 AM: Quote from: Fatso on October 30, 2023, 07:28:16 AM
Is that a safety in NCAA or did the officials get it wrong?

Safety in NCAA. Muffs cannot add force/impetus in NCAA unless the ball is completely motionless.
Title: Re: What would NFHS Rule be?
Post by: Fatso on October 30, 2023, 02:17:18 PM: Quote from: bossman72 on October 30, 2023, 08:51:08 AM
Safety in NCAA. Muffs cannot add force/impetus in NCAA unless the ball is completely motionless.
Interesting.... thx.