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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: dammitbobby on July 08, 2024, 01:53:52 PM
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Relevant rules:
2-7-1 A down is a unit of the game that starts after the ball is ready for play with a legal snap (scrimmage down) or legal free kick (free kick down) and ends when the ball becomes dead.
3-3-6-a-1 An official will declare a timeout and the player(s) must leave the game. That player must remain out of the game for at least one down, even if that team is granted a team timeout.
Scenario:
A34's helmet comes off through play (no foul, and he is tackled at the A-40 for a first down. A34 must leave the game for one down (2-7-1). During the following play, A64 holds B53 at the LOS, so it is A 1/20 from the A-30.
Since we are repeating the down, does A34 still have to sit out the down?
AR 3-3-6-II: II. After being treated for a bleeding or oozing wound, A22 (A.R. 3-3-5-I) attempts to enter the game before the next snap. RULING: A22 must remain out of the game for at least one play. In any event, he may return only on the approval of his team professional medical personnel.
According to the logic of the AR, no, he does not. I'm just wondering why the rule says he must sit out a down, not a play. And if (being extremely pedantic here) if that means he does in fact have to sit out more than one, if there is an accepted penalty involved where the down would be repeated. I know Elvis has given explanations on the difference between a down and play here before but I can't find it.
Probably just a dumb derp moment on my part as to why I'm eve asking this, but I did find it a smidge confusing, although I'm likely overthinking this.
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A down is the interval where the ball is live. A play is a section of a down and just about every down has multiple plays. There are running plays, forward pass plays, scrimmage kick plays, and free kick plays.
The rule says he must sit out a down because he must sit out the full down (obviously). If it was just sit out a play, that would mean the player was eligible to return as soon as the QB handed the ball off to another player because that would start a new running play. Obviously that’s not the case. As to the AR, the player did sit out a down. The ball became live and then was declared dead. Thats a down. The number of the down within Team A’s series is being repeated, but there was a down played, so he is eligible to reenter.
However if the foul was a dead ball foul, for instance A76 false starts, the player would not be eligible to return because the ball never became live.
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thanks - that's what I looking for - that a play is a segment of a down. I see definitions in the rulebook for types of plays (2-30, forward pass play, free kick play, scrimmage kick play, running play and run) but not a definition specifically for what a play is, itself.
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thanks - that's what I looking for - that a play is a segment of a down. I see definitions in the rulebook for types of plays (2-30, forward pass play, free kick play, scrimmage kick play, running play and run) but not a definition specifically for what a play is, itself.
Sadly, the rules editor doesn’t conform to the down vs play convention in other parts of the rules, ARs, and quiz questions, adding to the confusion.