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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: 000635547 on September 26, 2025, 06:50:40 PM
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Had a weekly video of selected plays come out from the state association. In one of the plays, K is free-kicking and R just . . . lets it got without making sure it was a touchback. Ball comes to rest at about the 5, K runs down and scoops it up thinking they just got a touchdown.
Now the main point of that clip was the classic "K can't advance a kick." While the narrator was discussing it, however, they also mention that the clock doesn't start when touched by K (clock operator started it at the apex of the kick, for no apparent reason), and no time should have ran off the clock. I've also heard this same thing, similar situation (K touching a grounded free-kick well past the 10-yard line, don't start the clock) in my local association this year.
My understanding is any touching (K or R) that is not First-Touching winds the clock. Since this was grounded and well beyond 10-yards, we would start the clock, even momentarily. It could have mattered, in this case, since the free-kick was with 0:03 left in the 2nd quarter; particularly if K got over excited and muffed the recovery. Anybody have clarification here?
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Only if R touches the kick will the clock start. If K recovers the kick, the ball immediately becomes dead, because they are not allowed to legally advance a kick.
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Sorry, I guess I have an unstated question of what's the rule reference to lead you that way? Because the only thing I'm finding to run off of is 3-4-3 "The game clock shall start with the snap or when any free kick is touched, other than first touching by K, if the game clock was stopped because . . ." This seems to imply K's touching can start the clock, as long as its not First Touching.
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Sorry, I guess I have an unstated question of what's the rule reference to lead you that way? Because the only thing I'm finding to run off of is 3-4-3 "The game clock shall start with the snap or when any free kick is touched, other than first touching by K, if the game clock was stopped because . . ." This seems to imply K's touching can start the clock, as long as its not First Touching.
The point here is that when K possesses an untouched free kick the ball is immediately dead by rule. The clock should not run in those cases.
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I agree with that, but it's not the question. I have a state and local association saying the clock can't run, even in the case of K muffs the recovery. That's what I can't find a rule reference to support, but I'm also concerned I'm missing something with two separate groups saying it.
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I agree with that, but it's not the question. I have a state and local association saying the clock can't run, even in the case of K muffs the recovery. That's what I can't find a rule reference to support, but I'm also concerned I'm missing something with two separate groups saying it.
If K muffs (touches - does not possess) a free kick beyond the R restraining line (kick has gone 10 yards) then the clock does start and one or more on-field officials should be giving the wind at that point.
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Sorry, I guess I have an unstated question of what's the rule reference to lead you that way? Because the only thing I'm finding to run off of is 3-4-3 "The game clock shall start with the snap or when any free kick is touched, other than first touching by K, if the game clock was stopped because . . ." This seems to imply K's touching can start the clock, as long as its not First Touching.
During a free kick, If K touches the ball beyond R's restraining line is that considered first touching? I realize they can recover the ball then but is it a spot of first touching? (probably not). If not, then you might be right about the clock starting when K touches it except for first touching in the neutral zone.
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During a free kick, If K touches the ball beyond R's restraining line is that considered first touching? I realize they can recover the ball then but is it a spot of first touching? (probably not). If not, then you might be right about the clock starting when K touches it except for first touching in the neutral zone.
No, it’s not first touching, since K could legally recover the kick (assuming it’s also hit the ground).
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Sorry, I guess I have an unstated question of what's the rule reference to lead you that way? Because the only thing I'm finding to run off of is 3-4-3 "The game clock shall start with the snap or when any free kick is touched, other than first touching by K, if the game clock was stopped because . . ." This seems to imply K's touching can start the clock, as long as its not First Touching.
do not confuse first touching of a scrimmage kick with the ball being touched first on a free kick....they are 2 completely different situations
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Sorry, I guess I have an unstated question of what's the rule reference to lead you that way? Because the only thing I'm finding to run off of is 3-4-3 "The game clock shall start with the snap or when any free kick is touched, other than first touching by K, if the game clock was stopped because . . ." This seems to imply K's touching can start the clock, as long as its not First Touching.
You are reading correctly.
First touching occurs within the 10 yard NZ.
Say the kick is rolling at the B45 (15 yards past K's free kick line) and is muffed by K with 0:10 on the clock and is then subsequently recovered 2 seconds later by either team. We would now have 0:08 on the clock.
Likewise, say the rolling kick is muffed by K at the A48 (8 yards beyond K's free kick line) and rolls out of bounds at the B45. Clock would never start.
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Piggybacking off this a little:
Does touching precede a kick recovery like it does a catch?
K seemingly must touch the ball before possesing it, so I am wondering if the clock winds and then is stopped almost immediatley after.
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Piggybacking off this a little:
Does touching precede a kick recovery like it does a catch?
K seemingly must touch the ball before possesing it, so I am wondering if the clock winds and then is stopped almost immediatley after.
We've always interpreted it like this (typically for R, but would apply to K beyond 10 yards):
If a player fair catches a kick... no time comes off.
If a player recovers or catches a kick while on the ground... no time comes off.
If a player controls or touches a kick while off the ground prior to completing the catch/recovery process, then 1 second comes off.
In all of these scenarios, it assumes a clean catch/recovery. If there is a bobble, then you probably should take 1 second off.