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Football Officiating => Camps, Clinics and Training Videos => Topic started by: Grant - AR on March 30, 2010, 02:52:58 PM
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I believe the following two practice tests came from the Big12. I'm sure many of you have seen these already, but if you haven't, they are great tests to keep your head in the rules book. The note I received said to pass them on so here you go.
2010 Practice Test 1 (http://www.refstripes.com/2010PracticeTest1.docx) (50 play situations)
2010 Practice Test 2 (http://www.refstripes.com/2010PracticeTest2.docx) (200 play situations)
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Thanks for posting these. If somebody could please post these tests in a rich text format that would be greatly appreciated (not necessary though because I can just wait till tomorrow to access them).
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Thanks for posting these. If somebody could please post these tests in a rich text format that would be greatly appreciated (not necessary though because I can just wait till tomorrow to access them).
Sorry. I don't have a way to convert them to a PDF document. I'm sure someone on here can take care of that though. They are currently in Microsoft Word 2007 in case anyone needs to know.
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Here you go:
Test 1
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and:
Test 2
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Here goes, first pass at Test 1.
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Either I got 'em all right or no one wants to challenge my answers! Let's debate!
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Only part way through Test 1, and so far we agree on all but one.
On question 13, I get B 1/10 B42 (Ball dead when recovered by B22 at the B-32, followed by Delay of Game by B for advancing a dead ball and the FM by A).
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On 13, I answered this as I would officiate it. We would kill the play the minute B22 possessed the ball, thus shutting the play down immediately and avoiding the DOG and FMM. If answered as it appears on the test, then you are correct.
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answer key for test 2 ???
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How did you get A 1/10 @ A2 on Question 2? The only fouls I see are on Team A so no offsetting. I don't think I have a foul with accidentally kicking the ball. So I would give B the choices of having it A 1/11 @ A1 or A 2/8 @ A4.
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You are correct...didn't catch that I had that different from the posted key.
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No. 12 - I have A 4/1 @ B9. A loose ball going out of bounds forward goes to the spot the ball was lost at the B9.
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We have a backward pass that is muffed and accidentally kicked OOB. It's not a forward fumble OOB, so we play it where it lies at the B7, which is beyond the line to gain, thus A 1/G B7. Agree?
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As for azsteam's question on #2, I like his answer of A 1/11 A1 or A 2/8 A4 better.
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Here's Test 2
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We have a backward pass that is muffed and accidentally kicked OOB. It's not a forward fumble OOB, so we play it where it lies at the B7, which is beyond the line to gain, thus A 1/G B7. Agree?
A backward pass is a fumble.
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2-10-1: A fumble is any act other than passing, kicking or successful handing that results in loss of player possession. By definition, a backward pass is not a fumble.
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In question 12 if the ball doesn't hit the ground and is muffed by B32 and then kicked it would be A's ball at the B7. 7-2-4.
If the ball hit's the ground I would think it's a fumble. Which would but the ball back at the B9.
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Fumbles and backward passes are separate animals. Forward fumbles OOB come back to the spot of the fumble; backward passes that ultimately go forward and OOB, grounded or otherwise, are played where they go out (unless illegally batted).
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6310:
these are the ones that we differ with my answers....
1. offset A KO A30
28. B-1`-10-A40
30. TD B
31. B-1-10-A48
36. A-1-G-B6
37. B-1-10-B48
44. A-3-3-B8
46. A-1-10-A16
50. TD A
58. A-1-10-A18
60. B-1-10-B2
61. CHOICE: HALFOVER (DEC ALL FOULS), A-4-3-A45 (OFFSET REPLAY), B-1-10-B11 (DEC A FOUL, UNTIMED DOWN)
64. A-3-13-A1
66. A-1-G-B2
70. TD B
73. TD A
74. A-4-7-A22
79. SAFETY B-1-10-B1
83. A-4-6-B13
89. A-4-2-B3 OR A-3-5-B6
99. B-1-10-B22
102. A-3-G-B3
104. B-1-10-B43 TM B GETS TO BACK
112. B WILL KO B15 OR A WILL KO A45
114. TD B, ENFORCE ON TRY OR KO
116. A-1-10-A30
120.A-2-16-A38
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121. A-1-10-A15
123. A-2-30-A48
127. A-3-21-A40
130. SAFETY
134. HALF
135. A-3-7-B27 READY
143. A-1-10-50 DQ A57
146. B-1-10-B3
149. TM A KO A25, TM B GETS TO BACK
150. B-1-10-B1
153. REKICK FROM A45
155. A-4-16-A30 OR B-1-10-B3
158. A-3-25-A22
FROM 160 TO 199 YOUR ANSWERS WERE OFF BUT HERE IS WHAT THINK YOU HAD AND WHAT WE DIFFERED ON...
160. A-2-5-B30
161. B-1-10-B7.5
178. B-1-10-B30 TM B GETS TO BACK
179. A-4-4-A22
190. B-1-10-B10 UNTIMED
196. A-2-10-B22
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Awesome, Dakota. Let me compare yours vs. mine to let the debates begin. This is great!
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Dakota - couple counterpoints:
31. I think we should enforce this foul from the end of the run (A40)
37. IFP enforced from B42 (to B47)
46. why not enforce this from the previous spot?
50. I believe A64 is illegally downfield on this pass play (ball caught at 34, he's at the 35)
60. Momentum belongs to B1 on this play, not B22. B22 does not get ball out of EZ, thus safety.
64. IFP thrown from the EZ (spot foul) - safety
83. there is a prevailing thought in D1 that says < 1:00 in either half, we can go w/ ING w/ intent to save time, thus I went with 5 yards from the spot, plus LOD, clock on RFP
89. We have an OH during an inadvertent whistle, which needs to be enforced even though A will retain possession
102. enforce D-Hold at end of A12's run (B3) to B 1 1/2
112. PREVENTITIVE OFFICIATING - break this up, get in the way, don't start a game under a black cloud! No Foul
123. OPI is 15 yds. previous spot
127. I don't read ING in this play. Between numbers and sideline there is no ING (again, prevailing D1 philosophy)
134. runner's knee was ruled down beyond the LTG, which is always a major clock stopper. After review, clock starts on the RFP, business as usual in a football play
149. can't review A82 stepping OOB; dead where he possesses the ball
150. same as 60
155. Defense hold, 10 yds previous spot, LTG made, 1st down
158. FMM. 15 yds. previous spot, auto 1st down
190. B fouled before COP so they can't keep the ball
Let me know what you think.
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31. Agree, I got my head all turned around on the field when enforcing the foul
37. Ball crossed the NZ; therefore the ball is dead @B48 when A42 recovered the ball. All after doesn’t matter unless it is safety related issues.
46. Agree, previous spot
50. “QB throws forward pass prior to Guard releasing” … IDP is determined when ball leaves the passers hand.
60. 8-5-1 … “ball carrier’s original momentum carries him into the end zone, where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession” … the MX rule is still effect since B1 caught the ball and took it into the EZ from the B4 and B still had the ball when the play ended (B22 had the ball down in the EZ). Basic spot is the B4 not EZ...
64. the spot of the foul for IFP is the A2 (7-3-2-e) you need to give him his forward progress
83. That must be the philosophy of your regional D1 supervisor… if that is what he wants then stick with it :)
89. Agreed, A83 can not “pull” … push – yes, pull – no
102. Agreed, I forgot to enforce the foul
112. I understand what you are saying but this is a “test” answer not a “real world” answer… just like I would not enforce a DOG on punt returner who runs 4 steps after there was a fair catch called on the field; but, on a test I would state as such…
123. Agreed, I did not do the math right
127. we had the same answer… it just looked funky on your answer sheet …
134. Agreed, I misread the question
149. Agree
150. I agree that this is a safety because he recovered his own players fumble and momentum took him to the EZ and therefore the MX does not apply. Not the reason given in #60
155. Agreed, I enforced as an OH not DH
158. “grab and release” is not a FMM … there need to be a “twist and/or turn” added before it can become a FMM
190, Agreed, B had ‘dirty hands’
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Dakota:
Couple questions:
50. Still struggling to see how this is not IDP: A64 is 5 yards downfield when A82 catches the ball 4 yards downfield. . . . shouldn't matter when A64 released to go downfield. This would only be legal if A82 were behind the LOS.
60. The original momentum belongs to B1. He loses possession, thus his momentum exception. Another B player (B22) is tackled in the EZ with the ball still in the EZ, safety, no?
64. Forward progress should not apply here. FP only pertains to a runner in contact w/ defenders and driven back after he had established FP. A12 voluntarily retreated back into his own EZ and threw an illegal forward pass (7-3-2-e as you reference).
I agree with all your other changes. I appreciate the dialog.
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50. The key sentence to this question is “QB12 throws a forward pass prior to Guard A64 releasing downfield.” In order to figure if there is an IDP foul or not is to freeze frame the game in your head (or film if you are reviewing it) at the point when the passer is just releasing the ball. If the linemen are not more than 3 yards beyond the LOS you do not have an IDP foul. Since the QB threw a pass before the guard release down field it does not matter where the G is when the WR caught the ball because it does not matter….
60. There is no “original momentum” there is just “momentum” for Team B. Team B (B1) caught the ball at the B4 and his momentum took him into the EZ. Team B’s (B1 fumbles the ball and B22 picks up the loose ball which never left the EZ and got tackled in the EZ) momentum continues since the ball has never left their EZ and they maintain possession at the end of teh down (different story once the ball leaves the EZ and ends in the FOP). Team B gets to invoke the momentum exception as the basic spot. Since the foul happened in front of the basic spot you enforce from the basic spot (B2). If the fumble would have crossed the EZ into the FOP, then the basic spot becomes the EZ…
64. The more I think about it, the more I am coming around to your way of thinking … The foul is enforced as a spot foul and the end of the related run. The QB crossed the LOS and scrambled back to the EZ to throw the pass. The EZ is the end of that related run… Safety
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Dakota:
I'm with you now on 60; I was reading that wrong this whole time. Thanks. As for 50, let's wait until some others chime in. Right now, I'm sticking with my IDP. That's what makes this process so beneficial.
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Question 50 is the ones that you need to really slow down to read and understand the question. At first glance it looks as if IDP but wording "Forward pass Prior to Guard A64 releasing" makes this is TD play. It's hard to imagine how a lineman can beat a ball thrown downfield. I guess if the QB throws a high looping pass to the WR it could be done.
The only time I have seen this happen is on a fake punt play. When the kicker throws a high pass and the lineman went downfield the H had an IDP flag. Looking at the film the lineman was behind the line when the pass was thrown but downfield when the receiver caught the ball.
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Guys, on #75 (test 2), I have A's ball, 4/5 on the B-19. Incomplete illegal forward pass. Anybody else...or am I missing something?
Thanks
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Guys, on #75 (test 2), I have A's ball, 4/5 on the B-19. Incomplete illegal forward pass. Anybody else...or am I missing something?
Thanks
I agree but I'm also wondering about a delay of game for advancing the ball after it is dead.
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Ftblref is right. The question reads "recovers", which assumes it hit the ground, thus incomplete illegal forward pass, 5 yds. from the end of the run, LOD. I think we're safe not going with a DOG in this case because it would likely take us a second or two to figure out what happened.
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On the first test #16, I have B 1-10 at the 31. I saw 6310 said the ball should be on the 21 yard line. I have no foul under exception 9.3.3.c.3. I'm I missing something? Thanks-
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Sonofanump, thanks for your thoughts on my answer to #16 on Test 1. If you look at the question again, B15 blocks A83 in the back to keep him from recovering the ball. B15 is not trying to reach a runner or legally attempt to recover the kick. If he were trying to do either, then the BIB is legal. That's why I went with IBB, 10-yards PSK enforcement. Make sense?
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Thank you, I think I have it now. Moving on to Test #2:
#15. Would B have an option of rekick from A30?
#32. (This is to clearify in my mind the result is the same, B gets a play) I agree B's ball at the 37, but I don't think the clock should have started, I think we have :02 second remaining on the clock. The ball was not legally touched in the field of play.
#38. What is the foul on this play? I thought tackling passer below the knees was a NFL rule.
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Test 2 #151 it could also be B1/10 on B10 as B get the option to decline offsetting penalties as theirs happened after the change of position re 10.4.1
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Brownie, if B declines offsetting fouls, we'd have to enforce the B foul only then, right? If so, the result of the play is a touchback, normally B 1/10 B20, with the B20 being the basic spot. However, B's foul happened behind the basic spot, thus the spot of the foul is the enforcement spot. As the spot of the foul is the EZ, it would be a safety. As a result, best to offset the fouls and replay the down. Agree?
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Thanks 6310 and yeh I agree, forgot to take the spot of the foul into consideration.
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Thru #50 on Test #2, Here are my current questions:
#15. Would B have an option of rekick from A30?
#32. (This is to clarify in my mind the result is the same, B gets a play) I agree B's ball at the 37, but I don't think the clock should have started, I think we have :02 second remaining on the clock. The ball was not legally touched in the field of play.
#38. What is the foul on this play? I thought tackling passer below the knees was a NFL rule. Is ther rule reference?
#43. The clock was stopped for a TD signal, the result of the play was an incomplete pass, either is a major clock stoppage, I think the clock should start on the snap.
Thanks in advance!
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#15. Would B have an option of rekick from A30?
Yes. Since B did not foul prior to gaining possesion they have the option to Offset and have the ball kicked again.
#32. (This is to clarify in my mind the result is the same, B gets a play) I agree B's ball at the 37, but I don't think the clock should have started, I think we have :02 second remaining on the clock. The ball was not legally touched in the field of play.
I agree. The answer key doesn't agree. I'd like to know as well why the clock was started and the answer key states to extend the period when the time should have never ran off. Put the 2 secs. back on.
#38. What is the foul on this play? I thought tackling passer below the knees was a NFL rule. Is ther rule reference?
There is no foul here. The TD stands. Kickoff from the A30.
#43. The clock was stopped for a TD signal, the result of the play was an incomplete pass, either is a major clock stoppage, I think the clock should start on the snap.
That's correct. The clock will start on the snap.
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Anyone have the answer key for the 50 question test?
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I think you can use 6310 as an answer key for test #1.
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Hey Guys, hope all is well. Attached are my answers to test 1. I think I've incorporated everyone's suggested answers into this document. If anyone disagrees, let me know and I can update it. Out of curiosity, any more tests floating around out there? Thanks.
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I am having alot of trouble with #79 on test #2.
I see two different answers (B 1&10 @B4 and Safety) neither of which I have.
I thought the end of the kick would be the enforcement spot and had B 1&10 @B2.
The foul occurred outside of the end zone of the team in possesion .
The foul occurred ahead of the end of the kick.
The end of the run is the endzone, but we have momentum to
Thanks.
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I am having alot of trouble with #79 on test #2.
I see two different answers (B 1&10 @B4 and Safety) neither of which I have.
I thought the end of the kick would be the enforcement spot and had B 1&10 @B2.
The foul occurred outside of the end zone of the team in possesion .
The foul occurred ahead of the end of the kick.
The end of the run is the endzone, but we have momentum to
Thanks.
I agree with you. Do to the momentum rule, the ball would come back out to the 2 where we would enforce the penalty that would take it to the B1.
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as to #79 ... I was the one who had safety as an answer... it is wrong, I misread the question (I did not read that the ball rolled OOB, which it did at the 3. If the ball stayed in bounds in the field of play then it would be a safety) and you are right it should be B-1-10-B1
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Thanks for the help/replies. Trying to work my way through these test and improve my rules knowledge.
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Sonofanump, thanks for your thoughts on my answer to #16 on Test 1. If you look at the question again, B15 blocks A83 in the back to keep him from recovering the ball. B15 is not trying to reach a runner or legally attempt to recover the kick. If he were trying to do either, then the BIB is legal. That's why I went with IBB, 10-yards PSK enforcement. Make sense?
The foul on B15 is an illegal block. He gave a fair catch signal and then block A83, which is a 15 yard foul. B 1/10 @ B16.
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Test #2 Q#81, Why is this not a forward fumble out of bounds. I thought:
A 1&5 @A25 or A 2&4 @A26, A's choice.
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#81:
Back A24 throws a backward pass and it happens to roll out of bounds at the A31. net gain is 11 yards versus the 5 yard DOF foul. Decline foul, A-1-10-A31
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#81:
Back A24 throws a backward pass and it happens to roll out of bounds at the A31. net gain is 11 yards versus the 5 yard DOF foul. Decline foul, A-1-10-A31
Thank you, I had to find it in the rule book to find out why I was wrong. 7.2.4.a.
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Test 1 Question 29 A 1st/10/A42
I have A 1st/10/A38 Fifteen yds for block below waist by A88 enforced from A38 then the 15 yard deadball UNS by B55. What am I missing?
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Test #2 Q#103: The score is good, I think the KO is at B’s 40.
Test #2 Q#113 & #114: These seem worded as live ball fouls. Enforce from spot of foul.
I've looked in rule 9.1.3, but it does not seem to help.
Test #2 Q#123: Should be at A43.
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Question # 89: Third-and-Five on B6. Back A24 runs to the B3 where B57 strips the ball from him. The ball rolls into the end zone. While the ball is loose in the end zone, A83 pulls B33 out of the way in a personal attempt to recover the ball, but A83 muffs the ball over the end line where it hits the end zone wall. The Umpire thought A83 had recovered the ball so he blew his whistle while the ball was rolling in the end zone and just before the ball went over the end line. After a conference, officials award the ball to Team A at the B3 yard line. The Replay Officials stops play to review.
I know this one has been discussed already but now I have two conflicting answer keys that were recently sent out.
Answer Key 1: Ruling A 4&2 B3 or A 3 & 5 B6.
Answer Key 2: Ruling B 1&10 B20
There is no way that answer key 2 is correct. Does everyone agree?
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Question 63: Fourth-and-Goal on B8. The score is tied with three seconds remaining in the game. On an attempted field goal from the B15, B47 runs from the B11, jumps, and blocks the kick. B47 then lands on B74 on the line of scrimmage. The ball rolls to the B20 where B1 recovers and runs to the A10. Time expired on the play.
Answer Key: A 1&G B4 Extend.
How's that? The line of scrimmage is the B8. B47 runs from the B11, jumps and blocks, then lands on B74. How is this a foul? B47 jumped from behind the neutral zone, not beyond it. I have B 1 & 10 A10. End of Qtr. Move to Extra Periods.
Rule reference 9-1-2-n: No defensive player who runs
forward from beyond the neutral zone and leaps from beyond the neutral
zone in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or try may land on any
player(s).
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Jason, as written I agree with you. I suspect the play was intended to have the B player running from the B1. How else would he land on another player at the LOS? Good pick up on the correct rule.
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Back when I did the test, I assumed the starting point for B47 was the B1 and not the B11 as written. If it were the B11, we would have shut this down for a DOF!
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Question # 89: Third-and-Five on B6. Back A24 runs to the B3 where B57 strips the ball from him. The ball rolls into the end zone. While the ball is loose in the end zone, A83 pulls B33 out of the way in a personal attempt to recover the ball, but A83 muffs the ball over the end line where it hits the end zone wall. The Umpire thought A83 had recovered the ball so he blew his whistle while the ball was rolling in the end zone and just before the ball went over the end line. After a conference, officials award the ball to Team A at the B3 yard line. The Replay Officials stops play to review.
I know this one has been discussed already but now I have two conflicting answer keys that were recently sent out.
Answer Key 1: Ruling A 4&2 B3 or A 3 & 5 B6.
Answer Key 2: Ruling B 1&10 B20
There is no way that answer key 2 is correct. Does everyone agree?
Jason,
Answer key 2 is the correct answer. The explanation that I received is that Rule 12 takes precedence over rules pertaining to IWs. Replay officials do not listen to the sounds of the game, the IW in this case, they only look at the visual aspects of a play. Given that, the replay official will see that team A is responsible for the ball going out of team B's end zone and thus award the ball to team B after the touchback.
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Jason,
Answer key 2 is the correct answer. The explanation that I received is that Rule 12 takes precedence over rules pertaining to IWs. Replay officials do not listen to the sounds of the game, the IW in this case, they only look at the visual aspects of a play. Given that, the replay official will see that team A is responsible for the ball going out of team B's end zone and thus award the ball to team B after the touchback.
Replay only got involved because the Umpire thought that A83 had recovered it. After review it was determined that A83 did not recover it but that the ball was loose. What does that leave us with? IW. Once it is determined that this ball was still loose during the time it was being ruled dead, IW rules do kick in. So now we let team B choose to either enforce the penalty or let team A have its options with the IW. With replay we can allow a catch or recovery of a loose ball if it occurs in the immediate action following the whistle, but the rules do not state that we can allow a touchback in that same manner.
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Replay only got involved because the Umpire thought that A83 had recovered it. After review it was determined that A83 did not recover it but that the ball was loose. What does that leave us with? IW. Once it is determined that this ball was still loose during the time it was being ruled dead, IW rules do kick in. So now we let team B choose to either enforce the penalty or let team A have its options with the IW. With replay we can allow a catch or recovery of a loose ball if it occurs in the immediate action following the whistle, but the rules do not state that we can allow a touchback in that same manner.
Believe me, I had a hard time with this as well when the powers that be explained the answer.
True, replay got involved because of the loose ball. However, the scope of the replay is not limited to whether or not A83 recovers or not. replay will see the ball go over the end line, and award the TB. IW rules are not under the scope of the replay rules. The way it was explained to us is that the RO does not have audio capabilities in the booth, or are they wanted, so the fact that the whistle blew would not come into play. Perhaps the best way to think about a review with an IW involved is to treat it like IW situations with a foul. Proceed as if the IW never happened.
we were told that they would be soliciting RR and Perry for clarification on whether or not rule 12 did indeed take precedence in this situation.
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Believe me, I had a hard time with this as well when the powers that be explained the answer.
True, replay got involved because of the loose ball. However, the scope of the replay is not limited to whether or not A83 recovers or not. replay will see the ball go over the end line, and award the TB. IW rules are not under the scope of the replay rules. The way it was explained to us is that the RO does not have audio capabilities in the booth, or are they wanted, so the fact that the whistle blew would not come into play. Perhaps the best way to think about a review with an IW involved is to treat it like IW situations with a foul. Proceed as if the IW never happened.
we were told that they would be soliciting RR and Perry for clarification on whether or not rule 12 did indeed take precedence in this situation.
I can agree with the audio portion, but as our mechanics state we use the "dead ball" signal as well so the RO would have a visual reference that the play is being ruled dead. Whistles and signals are both forms of IW's when they are given when they shouldn't be given. Another problem I have is that the rules state that during a play in which the runner is ruled dead, but replay shows it was a fumble. If it is clear in the immediate action following the ruling that it was dead, they will allow the recovery. If it is not clear as to who recovered the ruling that the ball was dead will stand. If it's not recovered in the immediate action, then it isn't even reviewable the way I read the rule. So, if that is the same section of the rules to use regarding the ball going over the end line, my thoughts are that there wasn't a recovery so either we use IW's process, enforce the penalty, or ball is dead where it was originally ruled dead by the umpire. The powers that be may have explained it but for those of us who haven't been "officially" informed, all we have to go by is the rule book.
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I can agree with the audio portion, but as our mechanics state we use the "dead ball" signal as well so the RO would have a visual reference that the play is being ruled dead. Whistles and signals are both forms of IW's when they are given when they shouldn't be given. Another problem I have is that the rules state that during a play in which the runner is ruled dead, but replay shows it was a fumble. If it is clear in the immediate action following the ruling that it was dead, they will allow the recovery. If it is not clear as to who recovered the ruling that the ball was dead will stand. If it's not recovered in the immediate action, then it isn't even reviewable the way I read the rule. So, if that is the same section of the rules to use regarding the ball going over the end line, my thoughts are that there wasn't a recovery so either we use IW's process, enforce the penalty, or ball is dead where it was originally ruled dead by the umpire. The powers that be may have explained it but for those of us who haven't been "officially" informed, all we have to go by is the rule book.
In this situation, the RO is going to see that the ball was not recovered by A in the endzone but muffed over the endline and award the touchback. Since this play happened so close to the end line, replay would be able to get involved just the same as if it were an immediate recovery. I see what you are saying about the dead ball signal. There is no mention of a signal in the question. I will try and get clarification about how replay would handle this if they indeed see a dead ball signal before the ball crosses the end line.
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This is #148
Fourth-and-Six on B47. B1 catches the punt at the B8 and during the return B42 holds A32 at the B22. A38 tackles B1 by the face mask at the B32 causing B1 to fumble the ball at the B34. A59 recovers the ball at the B35.
Answer Key: B 1&10 at B-12 or A 4 &6 at B-47.
Question: How can B 1&10 at B-12 be an option here? The penalties offset in this situation.
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10-1-4 Exception ("Clean Hands Principle") says B can keep the ball by declining A's penalty and having theirs enforced or accept offsetting fouls and re-kick (clock on snap).
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10-1-4 Exception ("Clean Hands Principle") says B can keep the ball by declining A's penalty and having theirs enforced or accept offsetting fouls and re-kick (clock on snap).
Team A is the team in possession when the down ends. Since team A fouled prior to last gaining possession they do not have "clean hands" so we offset.
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There 'ya go! Thanks, Jason.
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Haven't seen any replies to MWA reference below. I agree with him and would like to know why the IBW was not enforced from A38 Moving back to 23. Then the dead ball foul by B55 brings ball back to A38 with B55 being ejected. ???
Test 1 Question 29 A 1st/10/A42
I have A 1st/10/A38 Fifteen yds for block below waist by A88 enforced from A38 then the 15 yard deadball UNS by B55. What am I missing?
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Haven't seen any replies to MWA reference below. I agree with him and would like to know why the IBW was not enforced from A38 Moving back to 23. Then the dead ball foul by B55 brings ball back to A38 with B55 being ejected. ???
Test 1 Question 29 A 1st/10/A42
I have A 1st/10/A38 Fifteen yds for block below waist by A88 enforced from A38 then the 15 yard deadball UNS by B55. What am I missing?
I agree. The end of the run is behind the spot of the foul. We'll penalize from the end of the run the A38. 15 yards then move right back up 15 yards for the dead ball foul.
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Has anyone seen any 'official' (no pun intended) answer keys for these yet?
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Has anyone seen any 'official' (no pun intended) answer keys for these yet?
I just sent them to your email.
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Test 1, Question 3:
A 3&1 at B45. Running Back A22 runs with the ball on a sweep play toward the Team B sideline. At the B30, just before he is tackled at the B28, a Team B squad member reaches from out of bounds and contacts B22.
On the "OFFICIAL" Answer key it has: B 1/10 B15 - this is incorrect.
My answer is to either award Team A a TD if no other B player between A22 and goal or A 1/10 B14.
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On the "OFFICIAL" Answer key it has: B 1/10 B15 - this is incorrect.
Umm, this is obviously false, as there is no way in hell team B would get the ball as this is a third down (ignoring the fact that a team B foul happens beyond the LTG). It can't be a simple team A/B confusion, as it's a basic spot foul, so the normal distance penalty should be from the end of the related run, like you said - and a TD is a distinct possibility, too.
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Sonofanump, thanks for your thoughts on my answer to #16 on Test 1. If you look at the question again, B15 blocks A83 in the back to keep him from recovering the ball. B15 is not trying to reach a runner or legally attempt to recover the kick. If he were trying to do either, then the BIB is legal. That's why I went with IBB, 10-yards PSK enforcement. Make sense?
Except B15 signaled for a fair catch so his block is a 15 yard penalty so it should be B 1/10 @ B-16 (6-5-4)
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Test #1
5. A 2&15 at A10. Wide Receiver A88 leaps to catch a legal forward pass near the sideline at the A45. While A88 is airborne safety B28 jumps and they jointly control the ball while both are still in the air. A88’s right foot lands in bounds at the A45 just before just before B28’s left foot lands out of bounds at the A46. Both A88 and B28 fall to the ground in joint control of the ball at the A47 with neither touching out of bounds again.
I see this as A 1/10 @ A-47. This is not a simultaneous catch since A88 came to the ground first (see AR 7-3-6-III), A88 is in possession of the ball when he contacts a player OB, which does not make the ball dead (4-2-1-a), so the ball is still in play and A88 goes down at the A-47. I know it says they are in joint control, but this is just like any A player running with the ball and a B player grabs the ball but never gets it away from the A player and they both go down, we give the A player his full progress to the ground.
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I have a few more questions:
#24. I think you went the wrong way shouldn't it be A 2/21 @ A-20.
#27. A 2&6 at B35. QB A1 has to scramble and is at the B34 when he throws a touchdown to A88 in the Team B end zone. Time in the second quarter expires on the play.
Why are you extending on this? This is an illegal forward pass, 5 yards plus loss of down (7-3-2-a) so we will not extend 3-2-3-a-1
#39. A 1&10 B15. Running back A32 runs to the B6 where he fumbles the ball as he is being tackled. The ball bounces into the air and B45 recovers the ball at the B2 with his momentum taking him into the Team B end zone. B45 fumbles the ball from the end zone into the field where it is recovered by B55 at the B8. While the ball was loose following B45’s fumble B23 clipped at the B6.
We have a change of possession in the field of play and the related run ends in the endzone. ME is not in effect here because the ball did not become dead in the EZ, so the basic spot is the goallline and enforcement makes the result a safety. 10-2-2-d-2-b, 10-2-2-c-2, 8-5-1-b
#41. A 3&8 at B45. Before the ball is snapped a Team A member in uniform steps onto the field two yards from the sideline and requests a time out from the Side Judge.
What is the foul here? I just have "request denied, get off the field kid!".
Thanks.
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#24. Contact was within 1 yard of the LOS. No foul for OPI. A 1st & 10 @ B40.
The answer key I have agrees with you on #5, #27, #39 & #41.
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#24. Contact was within 1 yard of the LOS. No foul for OPI. A 1st & 10 @ B40.
The answer key I have agrees with you on #5, #27, #39 & #41.
Thank you.
#24 That rule 7-3-8-b-1 only applies to team A ineligible players. I still have OPI on this play.
I didn't mention the question number on my first reply. It was for #16, I have B 1/10 B-16 since the block is a 6-5-4 foul not a regular block in the back
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Hi folks,
for #2 of test2 I got another possible option. Feel free to discuss:
Fourth-and-Eight on B40. B15 gives a valid fair catch signal on the B10. He then blocks A41 above the waist at the B8. A45 then touches the ball at the B3, and B25 recovers the ball in the end zone.
I'm all okay with the ruling B 1/10 B4 for illegal block by B15.
However, if the ball hasn't touched the ground yet before A45 touched it, doesn't B still have an unimpeded opportunity to catch the kick?
In that case we would have KCI by Team A.
B would not be able to decline offsetting fouls, since they fouled before gaining possession.
Meaning replay down
Cheers
Joeri
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Already found the answer.
Team B IS allowed to decline offsetting fouls cause it's governed by PSK rules. But would they be better of replaying the down? in case of KCI of course.