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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Sjref on September 26, 2010, 03:41:17 PM

Title: face mask q
Post by: Sjref on September 26, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
Quick question. I think i know the answer but was told different

A 2nd and 20 @A20. A completes pass to A9 for 10 yds. before pass, 5 yd Facemask foul by B.

how do you enforce this?
Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: Jason Kramer on September 26, 2010, 04:05:52 PM
Quote from: Sjref on September 26, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
Quick question. I think i know the answer but was told different

A 2nd and 20 @A20. A completes pass to A9 for 10 yds. before pass, 5 yd Facemask foul by B.

how do you enforce this?

5 yards from end of run. 2nd and 5 from A 35
Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: Sjref on September 26, 2010, 04:52:07 PM
thank you
Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: Curious on September 26, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
Quote from: Jason Kramer on September 26, 2010, 04:05:52 PM
5 yards from end of run. 2nd and 5 from A 35

Are you sure, Jason? 

Q: What happened? A: 5 yd face mask

Q: Who fouled? A: B

Q:When did it happen? A: Before a legal fwd pass

Q: what kind of play do we have? A: Loose ball (10-3-1 note tells us that "runs that precede a legal or illegal kick, legal fwd pass, backward pass or fumble are considered part of a loose ball play")

Q: What is the basic spot for loose ball plays? A: The previous spot

So, I would argue that A would have to take the result of the play OR the 5 yd face mask walk off from the previous spot.  Refer to Case book plays 10.4.2 sit B,C,D


 

Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: younggun on September 26, 2010, 07:19:32 PM
Quote from: Curious on September 26, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
Are you sure, Jason? 

Q: What happened? A: 5 yd face mask

Q: Who fouled? A: B

Q:When did it happen? A: Before a legal fwd pass

Q: what kind of play do we have? A: Loose ball (10-3-1 note tells us that "runs that precede a legal or illegal kick, legal fwd pass, backward pass or fumble are considered part of a loose ball play")

Q: What is the basic spot for loose ball plays? A: The previous spot

So, I would argue that A would have to take the result of the play OR the 5 yd face mask walk off from the previous spot.  Refer to Case book plays 10.4.2 sit B,C,D


 



What he said...
Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: Jason Kramer on September 26, 2010, 07:56:40 PM
Quote from: younggun on September 26, 2010, 07:19:32 PM
What he said...

Woops thanks.
Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: GoGoGo on September 27, 2010, 06:37:34 AM
Doesn't face mask fouls have special enforcement rules. Basically face mask fouls are tacked on to the end of a run.

In this case A would loose yardage if they accepted the foul.
Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: bama_stripes on September 27, 2010, 07:43:35 AM
Quote from: GoGoGo on September 27, 2010, 06:37:34 AM
Doesn't face mask fouls have special enforcement rules. Basically face mask fouls are tacked on to the end of a run.
Not in FED football.

Quote from: GoGoGo on September 27, 2010, 06:37:34 AM
In this case A would loose yardage if they accepted the foul.
So they would (probably) decline.  It's called an "option".
Title: Re: face mask q
Post by: Sjref on September 28, 2010, 12:09:51 AM

What Curious said is exactly what i thought  when it happened but teh WH went with the first respone by jason. I gave my thought on it but was told i was wrong, then just to double check i asked someone else and he agreed with WH. I was actualyl down onself for gettin this wrong, wel thinking it was wrong