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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: JugglingReferee on October 01, 2010, 10:30:46 AM

Title: How far do you stetch?
Post by: JugglingReferee on October 01, 2010, 10:30:46 AM
Setup:  Canadian varsity game, 4 man crew.  KO after a TD.  Referee is on the KO line, in front of a bench.  H on restraining line and on opposite side as the R.  U and L are deep for the KO.  L on the R's side of the field, U on H's side of the field.  I'm the L.  K ends up kicking a short one to surprise Team R.  (There was no strategic reason to expect a short KO, such as down by 6 with 2 minutes to play.)

So I'm about 45 yards deep, and as soon as K starts towards the ball, I suspect the short KO.  K does the short KO towards the sideline where the R is.  So I start running up and at about 35 yards away, I see that Team R touches the ball first, and the ball is sailing OB.  In Canada, the team to last touch the ball is awarded possession.  Then, as the ball is sailing OB, I believe I see K touch the ball ever so slightly.  BUT.... I'm 35 yards away and we're talking about a fingertip (if that) touching here.

I come running in and ask the R is he saw the double-tip.  He says no.  I suggest to him that I'm 50/50 that I saw K touch the ball after Team R did.  If the R thought K touched the ball, I'd suggest giving K the ball.  He didn't continue to officiate by watching the ball sail OB.

The timer is on the sideline and had a great view of the play.  Plus, he's a buddy of mine.  He says, "JugglingReferee, you had the call right.  K did touch it."

Argh!!!  I've put this play behind me in terms of not getting the call right, but I need to better predict (start shallower) react (run faster) when a short KO may occur.
Title: Re: How far do you stetch?
Post by: 110 on October 01, 2010, 10:50:18 PM
I think this is one of those situations that should come up in pre-game chats with the coaches, should it not?

But if you had no clue ... what can you do to set up in a better spot? You used the key words, though, you were not certain ... therefore, cannot make the call. This seems like a learning lesson for R, donnit?
Title: Re: How far do you stetch?
Post by: JugglingReferee on October 01, 2010, 10:55:47 PM
*I* think its's a learning opp for the R, but he showed little interest in being told that he didn't follow the path of the ball...  when I told him that he needs to continue officiating, he didn't seem to happy that I was voicing this fact.

Truth is I was more like 75/25 that K touched it again.  But as you say..... gotta be 100%.

One coach quietly asked about the situation and accepted that I was far away from the play.  I then stated that had we been using a 5-man crew, the mechanic difference would have had a guy right there to see the whole play.  Sorry, did I say "using".  I meant "paying for".  LOL

Had a game today.  1 vs 3 in the county.  Still only a 4 man crew.  We needed 5.
Title: Re: How far do you stetch?
Post by: 110 on October 01, 2010, 11:01:24 PM
Had a game today.  1 vs 3 in the county.  Still only a 4 man crew.  We needed 5.

I was spoiled in Sask - six man crews for all Varsity games.

We do five in NB. Seems do to the trick.
Title: Re: How far do you stetch?
Post by: JugglingReferee on October 01, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
Ya.  5 is good.  We've got a bunch of guys very good at the deep position, and could work it alone back there.