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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: chymechowder on October 20, 2010, 09:39:07 AM
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http://985thesportshub.cbslocal.com/2010/10/20/great-high-school-play-by-play/
Pretty sure this play by play guy lives in a "van down by the river." :)
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Bad mechanic by the whitehat turning his back on those players like that.
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Bad mechanic by the whitehat turning his back on those players like that.
Agree, R has excellent coverage all the way down field, hustles to get to the GL, the screws up by turning his back on players. :!#
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And signals with palms out. They should be in!
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You have to be kidding me, if this referee's only "bad mechanic" was, "turning his back on those players like that" he may have actually worked his first perfect game. Unless you're looking (and hoping) for a problem, facing the press box and signalling the score was the exact right thing to do.
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You have to be kidding me, if this referee's only "bad mechanic" was, "turning his back on those players like that" he may have actually worked his first perfect game. Unless you're looking (and hoping) for a problem, facing the press box and signalling the score was the exact right thing to do.
Well, we don't know anything about the rest of the game since we only have a clip of one play to go by, but do you think it's ever smart to turn your back on a group of players, especially following a score? And we don't need to look or hope for problems, but when they occur, we do need to see and deal with them.
And no, I'm not kidding - that has been drilled into me for 15 years now and if we were to turn our back on players like that we would get dinged for it.
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Now that's funny!
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I'm impressed that the WH was able to keep up with the B player with the ball as well as he did.
It's also entirely possible that the wing on that side was there by the time the R turned around, or was at least close enough to be able to watch for something stupid. I personally would have waited a bit longer to be sure the wing was on top of things before signalling, though.
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The R had 4 slow arse crew mates behind everything If they can't keep an eye on things then why are they out there. I got nothing wrong by the R. He did a heck of a lot better than 90% of the R's I know.
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Great hustle by the R to keep up with this play.
As for turning his back? I have always been taught to think "dead ball officiating" and be in no particular rush to face the press box to signal a score. If that R had stayed facing the kid who scored (just to make sure nobody popped him) for a few seconds and signalled with his back to the press box - would it still have been a score? Yes. Would everyone in the crowd be able to see his signal? Yes.
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Two years ago the mechanic of R facing press box and regiving the TD signal was removed from our mechanics anyway. R should just give his signal and continue facing the players. There is NO NEED for him to turn to the press box and give a TD signal. Should the line judge turn his back to the field to give his TD signals too? Obviously not so why should R.
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If that R had stayed facing the kid who scored (just to make sure nobody popped him) for a few seconds and signalled with his back to the press box - would it still have been a score? Yes. Would everyone in the crowd be able to see his signal? Yes.
Agreed there. The TD has already been scored. Even if you figure that the R needs to communicate it to the press box, there doesn't need to be any rush to signal it up.
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Two years ago the mechanic of R facing press box and regiving the TD signal was removed from our mechanics anyway. R should just give his signal and continue facing the players. There is NO NEED for him to turn to the press box and give a TD signal. Should the line judge turn his back to the field to give his TD signals too? Obviously not so why should R.
Which mechanics manual was it removed from?
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It might have just been our state that told us to quit doing it, I don't remember now and I have nothing to look at in my office...
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Apparently the NCAA and NFL (among others) have failed to follow your state's lead.
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I couldn't care less what the NCAA or the NFL do. I work NFHS in MN, IA and occasionally SD. We haven't had the white hat repeat the TD signal in I think three years as we have been instructed not too. There is absolutely no reason for them to do so anyway.
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Maybe the rest of the nation will catch up with you eventually.
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If there is a flag on the play or some type of unusual delay where the R has to confer with a calling official it of course should be given again by the R. If there is not I think R should not give again. I give it because our mechanics (TASO) call for the R to give after making sure there is no foul on the play.
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If there is a flag on the play or some type of unusual delay where the R has to confer with a calling official it of course should be given again by the R. If there is not I think R should not give again.
I don't disagree with that. I'm talking your run of the mill standard TD with no penalties involved... The additional signal by the white hat serves no purpose then...
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Does anyone know why Rs confirm the TD signal? It's always struck me as being slightly vestigial and I've often wondered if there was some kind of story behind it, because now it seems like it's done more because it's always been done that way rather than for any practical reason.
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I've always understood it to be that the calling official is signalling the result of the play and the Referee confirms the score once he checks to see that there are no flags on the field.
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The signal by the covering official is declaring the ball dead with a specific reason as to why (e.g. I'm declaring the ball dead in legal possession of a player in their opponent's end zone), whereas the signal by R to the press box is confirming that there is a score. It's the same signal, but has two different meanings in two different contexts. Incomplete pass, try no good, penalty declined, penalties offset, and coin toss option deferred to the second half all share the same signal as well.
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Guy's My brother is the Crazy Announcer for that game. While I am working games on Friday night he is announcing games for theguardonline.com This is the 2nd year that the guard has done this Last year is was video only. You would not believe all the press he is getting. Both my brother and the Color guy is a bunch of homers incase you could not tell. :D
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** cleaning out remains of shattered left eardrum **
The announcer is a homer, you say?
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just a little bit :D
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I read some of the comments under the video and laughed some more. After the score, the team's score on the screen increments from 10 to 14 one point at a time. That was a 4-point touchdown, apparently.
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no that was only part of the video. It does go to 6 after the video is cut off. This is the 2nd year that the guardoline has done video for the games and it basically a mom and pop production and it takes awhile for it to get up dated
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here's another one where the announcer is just as frenzied, but not in a good way. I know the backward/forward pass can be tricky sometimes, but this one really shouldnt have been killed.
I like how the color commentator screams BOOO!
also funny that the backjudge was the one who retrieved the ball!
http://vimeo.com/16123142
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Our general rule is if you're not sure whether the pass was forward or backwards and it hits the ground, rule it an incomplete forward pass.
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(referring to second video)
"nuts and bolts we got screwed" LOL
now thats just plain funny
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And the kid that scored's father and mother were in a young adult sunday school class I taught when he was born.
After all, Arkansas is a small state.
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You bet it is a small state!!! That is why President Clinton could not be criminally charged in the case of the "blue dress". Everyone in Arkansas has the same DNA so "the stain" evidence was not admissible.