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Title: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: FredFan7 on February 13, 2011, 04:23:01 PM
On this play, the outside rusher appears to be held.  But the rusher made the sack anyway.  Do you flag it in NFHS or since there was no advantage gained out of the potential hold, do you let it go?  What if the team had been driving in the red zone - do you flag it then no matter what?

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Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: RickKY on February 13, 2011, 04:57:08 PM
No holding since there was not enough restriction to prevent the defender from making he play.  To call holding in this play I would need to see some restriction.  Instead B fought through the A player to make the play.
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: jjseikel on February 13, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
No hold. There was virtually no restriction and no advantage gained by the A player or disadvantage to the B player.

If there was a legitimate hold and the defender still made the play, I would have a flag down even though it could be declined. A flag could "protect" team B if they also fouled by making the result a double foul.
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: Bugolathe on February 13, 2011, 10:29:27 PM
JMHO  I wouldn't call the hold unless the QB got the pass off or scrambled away from the sack.  Since the sack was made, the blocker didn't really gain an advantage.  That is pretty much how I would explain it to a coach that want a flag.
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: bama_stripes on February 14, 2011, 07:26:30 AM
Quote from: Jaybird on February 13, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
If there was a legitimate hold and the defender still made the play, I would have a flag down even though it could be declined. A flag could "protect" team B if they also fouled by making the result a double foul.
Agree.
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: GoGoGo on February 14, 2011, 07:41:00 AM
Quote from: bama_stripes on February 14, 2011, 07:26:30 AM
Agree.

Agree.
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: LarryW60 on February 14, 2011, 01:09:46 PM
Interesting that so many would hold onto a flag for holding until the result of the play was determined.  Can you say, "Late flag"?  I KNEW you could!
 ^flag
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: 110 on February 14, 2011, 04:33:38 PM
No hold, regardless of the outcome of the play.
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: Mike L on February 14, 2011, 05:30:27 PM
There's a hold there?
Title: Re: Video: Holding or Not?
Post by: VALJ on February 16, 2011, 04:50:06 PM
No hold as far as I'm concerned - as others have said, no restriction.

Now, if I see a definite restriction, I'll drop the flag regardless of whether the sack is made or not.  Even if B would decline it to keep the result of the play, it could offset a defensive foul.