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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: El Macman on March 08, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
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Here it is. Should settle any questions. From the CFO:
2011 FOOTBALL OFFICIALS UNIFORM
JERSEY
NEW: 2-inch stripe
NEW: Position letter on left front pocket. Letter will be white against the black fitted within the stripe that runs down the pocket. NOTE: The pocket is NOT solid black!
NO CHANGE:
American Flag patch—above left pocket
CFO Patch—left sleeve
Position letter on back
PANTS
NEW: Full length black pants with 1-1/4 inch white stripe (last year was optional for cold-weather wear). To be worn in all games.
CAP
NO CHANGE:
REFEREE—Fitted solid white cap
ALL OTHERS—Fitted black cap with white piping
SHOES
NO CHANGE: Black shoes. Amount of white will vary with manufacturer but should be minimal.
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edit: I am such an idiot.
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Osric, what are you saying is wrong?
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You see where it says there should be the CFO patch on the sleeve? I managed to read "American flag on the left sleeve", about six times.
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What do they plan to do regarding shirts when they try out one or two High School guys to see if they are ready to move up a level - such as on Div III freshman college games?
Will they all still wear 1" or will they insist the prospects wear 2".
What position letters should these prospects buy?
How can they know what position they will eventually be hired to work?
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What do they plan to do regarding shirts when they try out one or two High School guys to see if they are ready to move up a level - such as on Div III freshman college games?
Will they all still wear 1" or will they insist the prospects wear 2".
What position letters should these prospects buy?
How can they know what position they will eventually be hired to work?
My best reasonably experienced guess is that, for scrimmages, 1" stripes will be OK. As for actual games of competition, as they always have, they'll be expected to look the part, i.e., 2" stripes, with CFO logo, flag, and position letters on pocket and back. There are position letter "plackets" that can be sewn over the fixed position letters on the back - for certain. As for the pocket, I believe Honig's has indicated they will have a placket for that, too, althogh I'm not sure how that will work/look. It will have to have a black stripe in the center of it. For those that will work several positions in the same season, suck it up and buy a seaparate shirt for each position, and count your blessings. Besides, think how much you are saving on stockings.
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I think you meant suck it up and buy two (long and short sleeve) shirts for each position ;)
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I think you meant suck it up and buy two (long and short sleeve) shirts for each position ;)
That would doubly suck, but it is what it is.... :)
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Usually with a change comes a rational explaining the need for the change. I’m waiting for the rational for this change.
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Usually with a change comes a rational explaining the need for the change. I’m waiting for the rational for this change.
The 'rationale' is exclusively to distinguish NCAA officials from any other level of game (i.e., NFL and interscholastic football). That's it. Of course, without copyrighting the uniforms, there is nothing to prevent other level from matching. So, this is may only be effective at 'separation' for a couple of years, until, and unless, interscholastic associations make the move (on which I'll bet my entire Monopoly fortune they will).
As with replay, like it or not, it's done. So, we accept it, and best to embrace it. Fighting it or whining about it will get you nowhere. Now, let's forget about uniforms and move on to bigger issues like BBW, substitution, new mechanics, etc.
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Usually with a change comes a rational explaining the need for the change. I’m waiting for the rational for this change.
Keep waiting.... ???
And replace all your stuff in the meantime!!
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I was looking for a light weight version (Honigs won't have one until June or July) and came across this.
This one seems to have a lot of features (flag pocket, adjustable waist); I don't know if Honig's will or not have these features. Don't Just a
thought,
http://www.gerrydavis.com/mm5/category/Football_Referee/product/F08PF12827200
Best regards,
Brad
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The only problem I see with these ones is that the legs are let out so you can "bulk up" under it. May look a little big when we are in warm weather.
The pants I got from Smitty's had a lot of room in the crotch (no jokes here). Regardless of where I buy another pair, I will take them to a tailor. Thanks for the link.
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...these ones ...
Now, there's a northerner expression, if there ever was one. We're fixin' to get ready for another season, y'all. 8]
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The 'rationale' is exclusively to distinguish NCAA officials from any other level of game (i.e., NFL and interscholastic football).
Jokes aside; does anyone know the real reason for this change?
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Jokes aside; does anyone know the real reason for this change?
From what I have heard, El Macman hit the nail on the head. The reason for the change was to make the college officiating uniform different from high school or the NFL.
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The only problem I see with these ones is that the legs are let out so you can "bulk up" under it. May look a little big when we are in warm weather.
The pants I got from Smitty's had a lot of room in the crotch (no jokes here). Regardless of where I buy another pair, I will take them to a tailor. Thanks for the link.
There's no question that you'll need to have your pants tailored, and you'll want to pick a pretty accomplished tailor. Our entire association bought the Gerry Davis pants last season, and the only sizing is based on waist size. I expected to have to hem the pants, but I could have put both of my legs in one pants leg and still been able to run. The crotch, butt, and legs all needed extensive tailoring which slightly more than doubled the cost of the pants. As far as allowing a 2" waist adjustment goes (which make them look like tux pants) ; I work with an umpire who can adjust his waist more than that at breakfast.
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From what I have heard, El Macman hit the nail on the head. The reason for the change was to make the college officiating uniform different from high school or the NFL.
And maybe, secondarily, it creates demand for a few organizations in a tight economy. Dictate that the populace must purchase new attire and watch the cash flow improve for the suppliers. Our cash flow takes a hit. I wonder if Obama has any stimulus money for this! ^flag
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My best reasonably experienced guess is that, for scrimmages, 1" stripes will be OK. As for actual games of competition, as they always have, they'll be expected to look the part, i.e., 2" stripes, with CFO logo, flag, and position letters on pocket and back. There are position letter "plackets" that can be sewn over the fixed position letters on the back - for certain. As for the pocket, I believe Honig's has indicated they will have a placket for that, too, althogh I'm not sure how that will work/look. It will have to have a black stripe in the center of it. For those that will work several positions in the same season, suck it up and buy a seaparate shirt for each position, and count your blessings. Besides, think how much you are saving on stockings.
Between the levels I will be working, I could work any of the deep three spots, and will also be working some referee. I don't think I want to by 4 SS and 4 LS shirts! I would be fine with buying a short and long for R, and a short and long for S, but to buy 4 more for a possible game or two at F or B is kind of silly. I'm sure they will have something to take care of the pocket also for guys who work multiple positions.
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I imagine that they will have a sleeve of some sort similiar to a pocket protector that can slide over the top of the pocket with the different position letters.
NASA scientists won't have to be called in on this project.
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I imagine that they will have a sleeve of some sort similiar to a pocket protector that can slide over the top of the pocket with the different position letters.
NASA scientists won't have to be called in on this project.
The pocket protector actually came out of the space program. Just like velcro.
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The pocket protector actually came out of the space program. Just like velcro.
I thought they came from "The Men In Black"
LOL
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The pocket protector was invented during World War II by Hurley Smith while he was working in Buffalo, New York. He was awarded US 2417786 for the device on March 18, 1947; the patent was filed on June 3, 1943
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The pocket protector actually came out of the space program. Just like velcro.
Velcro was invented by a Swiss mountaineer, who go the idea from the burrs that stuck to his dog when they were walking. It was patented in 1955, and Velcro Industries was born.
The space industry had nothing to do with it's invention.
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The pocket protector was made famous by NASA engineers in the early days of the space program.
Those guys were rockin' PPs like hippies rocked beads and bellbottoms.
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From what I have heard, El Macman hit the nail on the head. The reason for the change was to make the college officiating uniform different from high school or the NFL.
I've also heard because the 2" stripe looks better on TV
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I've also heard because the 2" stripe looks better on TV
That is what prompted the NFL to go to 2" stripes many moons ago. The 1" stripes created moire patterns on CRT tv screens. With today's LCD's and plasmas, that isn't nearly as much of a problem.
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Pictures of Cliff Keen's new sublimated shirts are now up on their Facebook page. Search for "Cliff Keen Officiating" on Facebook.
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Honig's will have their summer pant in mid July:
http://www.honigs.com/sub/32/P26 (http://www.honigs.com/sub/32/P26)
Some of the text seems to be unchanged from when the pants first came out (like the 1" shirt stripe reference), but anyway, July is the month.
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Between the levels I will be working, I could work any of the deep three spots, and will also be working some referee. I don't think I want to by 4 SS and 4 LS shirts! I would be fine with buying a short and long for R, and a short and long for S, but to buy 4 more for a possible game or two at F or B is kind of silly. I'm sure they will have something to take care of the pocket also for guys who work multiple positions.
In our area, it does not matter what letter you have on your back for the frosh games.
I have not bought new shirts in a few years and have a similar predicament that you do. I bought a F, B & S in both long and short, so six in all. When I R or work LOS at the frosh/reserves, I’ll just wear what I have.