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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: Welpe on May 09, 2011, 07:23:16 PM
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...we are in the middle of being lectured about how we need to play ball. More to follow.
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Play ball" with who? ?
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The UIL. Play ball is not an exact quote but it is the feeling I'm getting.
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On a day when we have learned about the court victory and the progress in the legislature? No doubt we have to co-exist with them and we have to admit they do have some control over the contests. But they need to accept the very limited role THEY have in the officiating of said contests.
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The UIL. Play ball is not an exact quote but it is the feeling I'm getting.
It's the feeling I'm getting too.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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Heard from several attendees of the Houston meeting tonight that it was all too apparent that our TASO Football President had heavy fumes of "Manor Road Kool-Aid" on his breath! Can't quite figure that one out when TASO had both a pre-legislative and a court victory earlier in the day! z^
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Heard from several attendees of the Houston meeting tonight that it was all too apparent that our TASO Football President had heavy fumes of "Manor Road Kool-Aid" on his breath! Can't quite figure that one out when TASO had both a pre-legislative and a court victory earlier in the day! z^
TASO Football President is a Public School Board Trustee. His allegiance is with the UIL, obviously.
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I have heard him speak on our situation and I believe he truly does NOT have a hidden allegiance to UIL. He does see a need to work with them which can sometimes be mistakenly seen as allegiance to UIL
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I have heard him speak on our situation and I believe he truly does NOT have a hidden allegiance to UIL. He does see a need to work with them which can sometimes be mistakenly seen as allegiance to UIL
Then he should be doing everything he can to pass 3028 and stop the UIL from being in our business. Then we can work with the UIL on our terms and not theirs. IMHO!
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Unless, of course, he is privy to some kind of a "hidden agenda!" It is common knowledge that he was called-out and threatened by the State Football Board at their Spring Meeting. Maybe now, there could be an even more stringent course of action forthcoming. After all, if we at TASO need to hear a Manor Road Cheerleader, all we really need to do is place a call to the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. and have him dispatch his :!# Dancing Monkey to come on over and strut about the stage for us, much in the same way that the old TASO Houston Basketball Chapter did before they inauspiciously got sucked-in to the UIL fold! z^
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I sort of half way expected him to end the night with him passing out the UIL applications, or registrations, or whatever they are calling them now.
Our District Rep set him straight on several issues - thanks Mark for standing up for TASO!
When they decide to properly and correctly and legally pay us in accordance with 1204 then I will begin to think about possibly signing as long as no fee is charged and TASO is still the big chief.
On the non issue of background checks, I have no problem with that. The cost is a big issue and that does need to be worked out. TASO should not be held responsible for that. I think ultimately it will be up to the individual official to foot their bill.
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On the non issue of background checks, I have no problem with that. The cost is a big issue and that does need to be worked out. TASO should not be held responsible for that. I think ultimately it will be up to the individual official to foot their bill.
It depends. If the check is a simple name check, it can be done for less than 5 dollars per. If it is a fingerprint-based check, then the cost goes up to about $50. If you believe what the UIL has been saying, all they want to have done is a name check. We can do that very cheaply. The results are not as reliable as the fingerprint-based check but neither one of them will predict future misconduct by someone who is "clean". I am all for whichever one is finally agreed upon but everyone needs to understand neither one is a "guarantee" and are really not much more than "feel good" solutions.
But, as you correctly pointed out, this is a "non-issue". The UIL has seized upon this as perhaps their best hope for justifying what it is they are trying to do. We (TASO) can easily implement this if that is what we ultimately have to do. The part that infuriates me is the inference by the UIL that we (TASO membership) are trying to hide something by refusing to do the checks. We need to take that "argument" away from them.
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I sort of half way expected him to end the night with him passing out the UIL applications, or registrations, or whatever they are calling them now.
Our District Rep set him straight on several issues - thanks Mark for standing up for TASO!
Agreed, Mark stood up for TASO's case very well I thought. I also thought that Cooper's response to Pete C. to "stop working subvarsity games" if we didn't like the subvarsity compensation was pretty short sighted. That's a convenience reserved for Division I's and II's IMO.
To be honest, at one point, it seemed that Cooper was apologizing for Tony Timmons and how much he "regretted" saying what he said at the UIL Houston basketball meeting in 2009. I was waiting for the "He's not really that bad, guys!"
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I havent heard anyone not willing to do a background check. the only comments i recall is who pays for it...
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Agreed, Mark stood up for TASO's case very well I thought. I also thought that Cooper's response to Pete C. to "stop working subvarsity games" if we didn't like the subvarsity compensation was pretty short sighted. That's a convenience reserved for Division I's and II's IMO.
To be honest, at one point, it seemed that Cooper was apologizing for Tony Timmons and how much he "regretted" saying what he said at the UIL Houston basketball meeting in 2009. I was waiting for the "He's not really that bad, guys!"
Unless you are in a smaller chapter then even the I &II's are needed to cover the subvarsity games.
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As long as the inexpensive version of the background check is implemented and either paid for individually by each official, or by TASO, I would think that is a win-win situation. But the Manor Road Crowd is using this strictly as a "red herring" so that they can implement other items from their very well-hidden agenda! z^
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Quite frankly I was extremely disappointed by his unprofessional addressing the issue.
It was akind to the teacher lecturing the class on expectations.
The "julie" references worn out early.
What was even more disheartening was his adequate lack of presentation of the new rule changes.
He didn't even know what he was trying to convey.
Looked nice with the white shirt and tie but really miss the mark and sounded like a lobbyist for UIL pHiNzuP LOL
IMHO + 2.5 cents worth
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Regarding the point about background investigations. As it have been pointed out before by others. I have seen more people get suspended for legal issues for which that was their first offense. A background check would have done no good for those first timers. We can weed out those who have offended in the past, but what about those that have no record and then commit a crime?
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Background checks work!! You never hear about school employees having illicit relationships with school kids anymore do you? ;)
They were a typical political response to a real problem. Politicians think they have to do something whenever something bad happens so they can show they are taking action. The checks are a "feel good" way the politicians can convince themselves they have done something. I am all for them myself but only with the complete understanding of all that they are NOT going to prevent anything bad happening. Bad things will still happen and we need to do what we can to find other ways to try to limit them or deal with them when they happen. I say that if an adult sexually assaults a kid, he/she gets life in prison, no parole, even if it is 1st offense.
And re Cooper...we need to remember, he was elected by a majority of the votes cast. You can try to argue that "not enough" votes were cast, or that people may not have known he was going to try to work something out with UIL, or whatever. Bottom line is that OUR system was used for his election and he IS the President. Until he takes an action that is contrary to our organization's policies, he deserves the respect that office should carry with it. He is only 1 man and cannot arbitrarily take the organization or our Division somewhere the majority of our other elected officials do not want us to go.
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I agree with that sentiment.
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At the same time I expected somewhat of a more professional and at least prepared approach to the presentation of the rule changes.
Leadership should know the basics when conveying to their associates.
I would not last a minute in my company with a PP presentation and not being prepared and knowing what I was presenting to my associates.
He was clueless about the blocking below the waist.
If anyone should have known he HAD BETTER KNOW or just don't present that portion.
He also struck me as a "I know better than you" type.
Heck what do I know ??? - I just a 13 yr D2 working Mon-Sat games.
Not part of the "good ole boy" network. yEs:
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As we have all seen in the past years of rule changes I have learned not to read too much into the preliminary changes. By the time we get the rule book it may read different that these preliminary changes so I wouldn't blame Coop too much for not putting on a rules session. I hate teaching rules this early without having a rule book with the exact wording myself.
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As we have all seen in the past years of rule changes I have learned not to read too much into the preliminary changes. By the time we get the rule book it may read different that these preliminary changes so I wouldn't blame Coop too much for not putting on a rules session. I hate teaching rules this early without having a rule book with the exact wording myself.
The 2011 rule changes have been approved and the wording is final according to Rogers Redding. I know we don't have "the" rulebook published yet but the wording and changes are readily available.
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The 2011 rule changes have been approved and the wording is final according to Rogers Redding. I know we don't have "the" rulebook published yet but the wording and changes are readily available.
This will be the first year the wording would be "final" then. I have never seen that I can recall, the rule book match exactly to what has been stated as being "final". It seems there have always been some last minute tweeks to the book.
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It’s really amusing that I got accused of slamming and accusing Fitch of something and now you guys are slamming & accusing Castleberry, and nobody says anything. It looked like it was a plan of a dozen or so guys at the meeting to raze him. I’m sure you are really proud.
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We do need to find a way to coexist with UIL. They are not going away and it is "their" game. That being said this thread has turned into a POURING match and did not need to.
While we need UIL they need us also and there should be some type of partnership not a dictatorship from UIL. I have said many times that TASO is not perfect but they are getting better.
UIL is a whiz at promoting their schools and playoffs. Let them tend to that
TASO is great at training and promoting officials. Let them tend to that
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We do need to find a way to coexist with UIL. They are not going away and it is "their" game. That being said this thread has turned into a POURING match and did not need to.
While we need UIL they need us also and there should be some type of partnership not a dictatorship from UIL. I have said many times that TASO is not perfect but they are getting better.
UIL is a whiz at promoting their schools and playoffs. Let them tend to that
TASO is great at training and promoting officials. Let them tend to that
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Airborne!
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There are 3 groups in this struggle
1) you have hard core TASO diehards that will never work without the TASO banner
2) you have folks that think that UIL will do something "for them" or that have been "wronged" by TASO and can't wait for UIL to take over.
3) then you have the vast majority who don't fit in either category, and they just want to call football, they see that both entities have warts and there are negatives to each, but for the most part from the folks that I have talked with in this group there are those that follow this closely, mostly for the theater, folks that don't care at all, and the moderately interested folks, but in this group in the end, all they care about is calling football, when it is all done, however it ends, just tell them what they need to do to call football.
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There are 3 groups in this struggle
1) you have hard core TASO diehards that will never work without the TASO banner
2) you have folks that think that UIL will do something "for them" or that have been "wronged" by TASO and can't wait for UIL to take over.
3) then you have the vast majority who don't fit in either category, and they just want to call football, they see that both entities have warts and there are negatives to each, but for the most part from the folks that I have talked with in this group there are those that follow this closely, mostly for the theater, folks that don't care at all, and the moderately interested folks, but in this group in the end, all they care about is calling football, when it is all done, however it ends, just tell them what they need to do to call football.
Excellent post. Thanks
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I agree 100%, and I fall into the vast majority catagory.
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It looked like it was a plan of a dozen or so guys at the meeting to raze him. I’m sure you are really proud.
I have no idea where you got this impression. Nobody razed him at the meeting (he actually left in one piece and was not burnt to the ground) unless you consider asking him challenging questions or challenging in a respectful manner some of what he said to be a "razing".
I went to the meeting with no pre-conceived notions about Cooper. I have no doubt that he wants the best for TASO and from his resume, he is no doubt a great official. I do not agree with his position on the UIL-TASO situation and I left the meeting on Monday feeling like we had been lectured to. I am clearly not the only attendee that feels that way either.
As a relatively new resident to the state, I am no TASO die-hard but I have come to the conclusion that I do not like the direction the UIL has been trying to go with officiating. I think a lot of it has to do with who is in charge of the UIL Officiating Department. I was at the Campbell Center in October of 2009 for Timmons' speech and it was hard not to detect the hatred he had for TASO in his voice. Despite what Cooper has said about Tony regretting what he said that night, I am not convinced that Tony still doesn't believe most of it.
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I need to add that in the vast majority category the hope is that TASO will prevail but if they don't the world will not cease to revolve..
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Very true.
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There are 3 groups in this struggle
1) you have hard core TASO diehards that will never work without the TASO banner
2) you have folks that think that UIL will do something "for them" or that have been "wronged" by TASO and can't wait for UIL to take over.
3) then you have the vast majority who don't fit in either category, and they just want to call football, they see that both entities have warts and there are negatives to each, but for the most part from the folks that I have talked with in this group there are those that follow this closely, mostly for the theater, folks that don't care at all, and the moderately interested folks, but in this group in the end, all they care about is calling football, when it is all done, however it ends, just tell them what they need to do to call football.
There is a fourth group
Those of us who have been screwed by UIL in the past and do not trust them.
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I have no idea where you got this impression. Nobody razed him at the meeting (he actually left in one piece and was not burnt to the ground) unless you consider asking him challenging questions or challenging in a respectful manner some of what he said to be a "razing".
I went to the meeting with no pre-conceived notions about Cooper. I have no doubt that he wants the best for TASO and from his resume, he is no doubt a great official. I do not agree with his position on the UIL-TASO situation and I left the meeting on Monday feeling like we had been lectured to. I am clearly not the only attendee that feels that way either.
As a relatively new resident to the state, I am no TASO die-hard but I have come to the conclusion that I do not like the direction the UIL has been trying to go with officiating. I think a lot of it has to do with who is in charge of the UIL Officiating Department. I was at the Campbell Center in October of 2009 for Timmons' speech and it was hard not to detect the hatred he had for TASO in his voice. Despite what Cooper has said about Tony regretting what he said that night, I am not convinced that Tony still doesn't believe most of it.
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Well said! But if the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. will take some time and go back to the not-too-distant past and give due observation to the way that his predecessors, Dr. Farney and Dr. Marshall, worked hand-in-hand with TASO, encouraged and opened up communication between TASO, the UIL, and the THSCA. Mistrust set in when Dr. Farney retired and let the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. loose with his sordid agenda to try to usurp probably one of the best officiating organizations known, all in the name of exercising his control over TASO by helping to insure that the schools of Texas could join the other states in only offering minimum fees to Texas officials. To bolster that, he thought it was paramount for the UIL to take over high school officiating as well and what did he do? He brought in an individual to head up that effort for him, a :!# lackey who had absolutely no football officiating or administrative experience.
The only way that I can envision a return to those "glory days" of Drs. Farney and Marshall is for an immediate resignation of the tiphat: Lord of Manor Road and his :!# "Director of Officials" and anyone else that the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. has had a personal hand in bringing into Manor Road as one of his revered and hallowed :bOW "Step-And-Fetch-Its!"
TASO has been far from perfect. I think we will all admit that. But it is so much better for the officials of Texas on it's worst day than the UIL is for them even on its best days! z^
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Well said! But if the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. will take some time and go back to the not-too-distant past and give due observation to the way that his predecessors, Dr. Farney and Dr. Marshall, worked hand-in-hand with TASO, encouraged and opened up communication between TASO, the UIL, and the THSCA. Mistrust set in when Dr. Farney retired and let the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. loose with his sordid agenda to try to usurp probably one of the best officiating organizations known, all in the name of exercising his control over TASO by helping to insure that the schools of Texas could join the other states in only offering minimum fees to Texas officials. To bolster that, he thought it was paramount for the UIL to take over high school officiating as well and what did he do? He brought in an individual to head up that effort for him, a :!# lackey who had absolutely no football officiating or administrative experience.
The only way that I can envision a return to those "glory days" of Drs. Farney and Marshall is for an immediate resignation of the tiphat: Lord of Manor Road and his :!# "Director of Officials" and anyone else that the tiphat: Good UIL Dr. has had a personal hand in bringing into Manor Road as one of his revered and hallowed :bOW "Step-And-Fetch-Its!"
TASO has been far from perfect. I think we will all admit that. But it is so much better for the officials of Texas on it's worst day than the UIL is for them even on its best days! z^
Man I can't understand half of what you try to say. But - I'll put you in Fencewire's cagegory #1 crowd. FlAg1
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Thanks, Coot! You're spot on! z^
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Man I can't understand half of what you try to say. But - I'll put you in Fencewire's cagegory #1 crowd. FlAg1
LOL tiphat: :)