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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: defcoach on August 09, 2011, 02:00:27 PM
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Building off of my previous post, what is considered fair, good, or excellent pay for officials?
We have been paying $85 per official for Sr High games (5 officials), no travel.
$90 per for Thursday nights when there is a 7th grade and Jr High game ( 4 officials) no travel,
and $75 , no travel, for Thursday nights when there is only a Jr High game ( 4 officials).
Also, we usually try to have food and/or snacks for the officials before or after the game.
What else is considered good hospitality for visiting officials?
We are a 4A school in Arkansas.
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Building off of my previous post, what is considered fair, good, or excellent pay for officials?
We have been paying $85 per official for Sr High games (5 officials), no travel.
$90 per for Thursday nights when there is a 7th grade and Jr High game ( 4 officials) no travel,
and $75 , no travel, for Thursday nights when there is only a Jr High game ( 4 officials).
Also, we usually try to have food and/or snacks for the officials before or after the game.
What else is considered good hospitality for visiting officials?
We are a 4A school in Arkansas.
For those of you who aren't familiar with the system in Arkansas, 4A is a mid-sized school. That would be between 200-500 students in grades 10-12.
Defcoach, I haven't worked high school in a few years, but those prices seem good to me. Those were excellent a few years ago.
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Round these parts, the State sets the max per official and max $ for mileage too.
In FL max per official Varsity = $60
Max travel is $0.60/mi - one way.
Our Assn just has a flat rate for mileage as $15 per official. Works out in that sometimes you're across the street while other times you're 75 miles away.
So total $75 per game varsity. - we see food/snacks before and/or after is maybe 25% of the time too. Hot showers is a whole other topic.
i'll be glad to accept $85 a game on Friday. - you can keep the travel. ;)
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Building off of my previous post, what is considered fair, good, or excellent pay for officials?
We have been paying $85 per official for Sr High games (5 officials), no travel.
$90 per for Thursday nights when there is a 7th grade and Jr High game ( 4 officials) no travel,
and $75 , no travel, for Thursday nights when there is only a Jr High game ( 4 officials).
Also, we usually try to have food and/or snacks for the officials before or after the game.
What else is considered good hospitality for visiting officials?
We are a 4A school in Arkansas.
Just a few thoughts on the hospitality thing:
You mentioned the food.. There have been occasions where the home team says we are welcome to anything at their concession stand - but its all snack food. We don't require gourmet - just something healthy that will keep us going through the game. Make sure you have plenty of drinks too (especially when it is hot).
Prefer some clean shower facilities too so we can wash off quickly after the game. A bonus if towels are provided (though I try to bring my own just in case).
Pay varies alot by school. I normally see $80 to $85 per official PLUS gas money for one person (our crew carpools). I have heard of schools going over $100 per official for crews they wanted back.
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You mentioned the food.. There have been occasions where the home team says we are welcome to anything at their concession stand - but its all snack food. We don't require gourmet - just something healthy that will keep us going through the game. Make sure you have plenty of drinks too (especially when it is hot).
The best food we had was, many times, at the smaller schools. The coaches would line up someone to take care of everything for one game for us. We might get burgers, pizza, meat/cheese tray for sandwiches...or we might get something like homemade lasagna and cake for desert. If you have a few parents who would be willing to take that on, that might be the best option for feeding the officials. Also, if you have a retired official in town, you might check with him. He might be willing to help out some.
Man, I'm hungry now! eAt&
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NCHSAA sets our rates for high school. Middle school fees are set by the local association or now the booking agent.
We get no travel fees.
The best job, pay wise, in NC is to be a playoff ECO. You are usually assigned locally while the field officials are neutral crew. You get the same fee with 98% less exertion!
C. FOOTBALL
a. Regular Season
$70.00 flat fee
b. Playoff
$80.00 flat fee
(1st round through regionals)
c. State Finals
$85.00 flat fee
d. Junior Varsity Fees
$65.00 (4 person crew)
$60.00 (5 person crew)
d. Clock Operator (Starting 2nd round)
$80.00 flat fee
While food and drink are formally not to be expected, it is nice to at least provide water for the officials. I've seen the gamut from cokes and snicker bars to a crock pot full of home made chili from the coaches wives. The usual is a drink and a hot dog at halftime.
Down in Winston-Salem, home of Krispy Kreme, one school always had a HOT FRESH NOW dozen in the locker room before the game. One area school has a chicken dinner and tea from KFC waiting on us before the game. One of our largest schools gives us absolutely nothing. I usually know someone at the visitor's side concession stand there that will let us have a drink at least.
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AHSAA regular season varsity = $60 per on-field official, $40 for ECO / 25-sec. Travel is $0.55/mile round trip for one vehicle, and is paid by every school, regardless of distance.
The only time we're really concerned about food is if we're at a rural school & there's no place that will still be open after the game. We truly appreciate having sufficient liquids available at halftime, and access to a non-public rest room.
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Personally, I am always very appreciative of the hospitality most schools provide, in the way of food and drinks. Unfortunately, we have colleagues who judge the school's by the hospitality provided to us. Many of these colleagues expect to see the school provide pork sandwiches, pizza, etc., from the concession stands. Often times, this is one of the first questions they ask the A.D. when arriving at a site. I believe this is very unprofessional, we are contracted to officiate a football game and not to raid the refrigerator. We should all pack fruit and high energy foods to help our bodies be at their best. If missing dinner is a concern, we should be prepared by packing a sandwich.
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I get across to the USA every 3 years for a football holiday to work some games that US officials I know arrange for me. Worked some games in 2010 in suburban Detroit and elsewhere in Michigan. Offered a soda and a burger at the half at all of them as I recall. As for money - $35 per, no travel for Thurs JV (4 man), $50 per, no travel for Friday night (5 man).
Of course it all gets pumped back into your economy! Let me near an outlet mall and I can fill my suitcase in minutes. You have no idea how much more we have to pay in Europe for Levi's, Adidas sneakers, etc etc.
$75 for Thursday, $85 for Friday? Arkansas sounds a real nice place! Shame I don't know anyone there...
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$75 for Thursday, $85 for Friday? Arkansas sounds a real nice place! Shame I don't know anyone there...
Oh, you know some folks there...you may just not realize it. :D
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Ohio schools seem to pay whatever they want to. My crews schedule shows game fees between $60 to $67 per man (5 man crew). Funny thing is the lowest paying school is a private school with a tuition of $20,000 per year (students are children of doctors, lawyers and CEOs).
Most have something for us to eat at halftime, usually hot dogs or cheese burgers and water or gatorade.
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I won't bother with our compensation in Germay, because the leagues don't equate very well.
As for other bits, the teams are REQUIRED to provide a lockable changing area with showers (sometimes the showers are where the teams are as well though) and water for us.
Very occationally we will get soda as well, and at 10% of the teams a bit of food - usually a burger.
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Im surprised no one has mentioned getting a cut of the gate receipts. I'll take $50 per varsity game, .50 per mile if my crew will get 5-10% of the gate money as well.
It's kind of funny hearing about the "added benefits" that schools throw in. I used to go with my father when I was 7-16 or so with his crew and got to experience a lot of the different hospitality all around the Texas Panhandle. I echo what one person here said, the best food is ALWAYS in the small towns. I remember I always liked going to a town called Boys Ranch which is a community where parents send their troubled children to straighten them up. Everyone who lives there is a kind of foster parent to the kids that get sent there and the whole community would band together and provide the crews with HUGE spreads both before and after games. It was great. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening much anymore. If we're lucky now, it's a burger and a chest of drinks. I kind of worry that a lot of people got to thinking it's a bit of an improper benefit for the home team to be able to lavish luxuries and such on the crews and get favorable calls that way? Kind of seems counter productive to me. If we are going to a place that we know is going to treat us right, we'll be in a pleasant mood, make better calls, and be more effective for BOTH sides.
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Oh, you know some folks there...you may just not realize it. :D
Is that what the - AR after your name is? Always assumed it was your surname...
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Is that what the - AR after your name is? Always assumed it was your surname...
That's it. I'm in Arkansas.
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Grant, where is the great state of Arkansas are you located. NWA is my area...
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Grant, where is the great state of Arkansas are you located. NWA is my area...
I'm in the central part of the state. Check your personal messages. I'll be in your area in a couple of weeks.
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Grant is the future mayor of Toad Suck, AR.
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Grant is the future mayor of Toad Suck, AR.
Either that or Pickles Gap, AR. ^flag
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In Georgia, we are paid $90 for a varsity game and the crew splits $50 in travel money. We also use 6 man crews. I greatly appreciate any food and drink that is provided by the school. Personally, I do not eat anything within 2 1/2 hours of the kickoff. I will eat some fruit and granola bars on my way to the game. If the school provides food, I will wait until the end of the game to eat.
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Either that or Pickles Gap, AR. ^flag
Sad thing is...I know where both of them are located nAnA
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In Georgia, we are paid $90 for a varsity game and the crew splits $50 in travel money. We also use 6 man crews. I greatly appreciate any food and drink that is provided by the school. Personally, I do not eat anything within 2 1/2 hours of the kickoff. I will eat some fruit and granola bars on my way to the game. If the school provides food, I will wait until the end of the game to eat.
Sounds pretty good to me...
We're stuck in the stone ages. ~$60 a varsity contest, no travel money and 5 man crews.
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Sounds pretty good to me...
We're stuck in the stone ages. ~$60 a varsity contest, no travel money and 5 man crews.
ITS, you might be from NE Ohio... same deal here.
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$82 for varsity game in Mass. 5 man crews.
Most schools' concession stands offer us stuff, but our crew just takes waters. Maybe a gatorade. I have seen guys, though, who strap on a bib for the "halftime free buffet." (I don't get that. the lure of free food notwithstanding, who wants to scarf down two hotdogs and a slice of pizza before running around in the 2nd half? :))
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I don't get that. the lure of free food notwithstanding, who wants to scarf down two hotdogs and a slice of pizza before running around in the 2nd half? :)
An umpire?
;D
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WI. $50-55/game. No travel. 5 man crews.
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The pay for Department of Defense Schools (DoDDS), in Europe is $45 for Varsity and and $35 for JV minus 5% scheduling fee plus 0.50 mileage.
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I would be glad to work any of those places...
I get $22 a game as an Ump for V games. no mileage or food or changing room no water no nothing.
If I am lucky I will fill in as a R and get $25 a game.
I would be happy to go to Germany if there is a spot open around Spangdahlem or Bitberg..
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:!# you guys get paid ?
J.K. currently get paid $25 for a senior and $15 for a junior (U19) game.
No travel, byo food/drink
............ renegotiating on position/qualification/game level.
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In PA it varys 65-85 for a varsity contest. Food varies greatly...some places we dont get hose water others we have been given a pre game snack, a half time meal, and a 6 pack of malted beverages after the game.. eAt& as well as towels and deoderant shampoo and shower gel....
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I looked at my pay for the last few years. In Texas, we are paid a percentage of the gate. I worked mostly 5A with some 4A and my pay has averaged $125 over the last 3 years. This includes $10 in town rider fee but no mileage.
We rarely get food, but usually have a nice clean place to change and hold a pregame with a warm shower, towels and water. Some places do more, some do less.
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Officiating high school football in IL is charity work. I work at a loss every year without even factoring in the value of my time. What's fair pay? I'm not sure, but I know we're not getting it in the Land of Lincoln.
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I looked at my pay for the last few years. In Texas, we are paid a percentage of the gate. I worked mostly 5A with some 4A and my pay has averaged $125 over the last 3 years. This includes $10 in town rider fee but no mileage.
We rarely get food, but usually have a nice clean place to change and hold a pregame with a warm shower, towels and water. Some places do more, some do less.
Wow. You are getting shafted as am I. This year I worked a 5A vs 4A game and got $120.00, 3A game got $120, and a 1A game paid the most with $130. Just trying to figure out how the 1A game paid more when it was clear by looking at the fans that the bigger classifications had more. Oh well, compared to what others are posting I am very happy with my pay. :) Come to Texas boys and we'll pay you good here. (for now anyways)
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Wow. You are getting shafted as am I. This year I worked a 5A vs 4A game and got $120.00, 3A game got $120, and a 1A game paid the most with $130. Just trying to figure out how the 1A game paid more when it was clear by looking at the fans that the bigger classifications had more. Oh well, compared to what others are posting I am very happy with my pay. :) Come to Texas boys and we'll pay you good here. (for now anyways)
The pay in Texas is nice, but I have read on the forums over the years about the TASO / UIL feud.
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The pay in Texas is nice, but I have read on the forums over the years about the TASO / UIL feud.
Football in Texas is like a National Holliday, especially in the smaller towns. They will literally shut down the businesses early just to travel to the games. You will see just as many visiting fans as you will home fans. Perhaps it could be like that in other states. With as many paying fans that show up, the officials pay is just minute in terms of what they collect at the gate. They can afford it.
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I don't know what fair pay is, but I know our association hasn't seen a pay raise in ages. $60 for Varsity + $8 travel. Texas sounds like the promised land... I've heard rumors about percentages of gate fees, but I didn't know if there was any truth to them!
How's the cost of living in Texas? What's the average rent for a 1/1 apartment?
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In Texas it's not a "percentage" of the gate, merely a scale based upon ticket sales revenue.
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Officiating high school football in IL is charity work. I work at a loss every year without even factoring in the value of my time. What's fair pay? I'm not sure, but I know we're not getting it in the Land of Lincoln.
I also work in Illinois and have never taken a loss (even with creative accounting I don't see how it could be possible). Considering the budgets the school districts are dealing with, I am very happy to be receiving $65 to $70 for a varsity game and $45 for an underclass game. Walking out of the locker room on Friday night still has a priceless value for me.
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The pay in Texas is nice, but I have read on the forums over the years about the TASO / UIL feud.
Right now, the "feud" has nearly no impact on football officiating at all. Everything is going as it always had. It did cause a delay in the subvarsity fee increase which was going to be trivial anyway. There may be a miniscule number of playoff games that go to "UIL-friendly" chapters but it has little impact on officiating in general.
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I also work in Illinois and have never taken a loss (even with creative accounting I don't see how it could be possible). Considering the budgets the school districts are dealing with, I am very happy to be receiving $65 to $70 for a varsity game and $45 for an underclass game. Walking out of the locker room on Friday night still has a priceless value for me.
It obviously means a great deal to me as well or I'd stop doing it.
I'll be the first to admit that I work a pretty selective schedule and don't take every high school game I can get my hands on, so there's no "creative accounting" necessary. I'm sure I could find more expenses, but with a few off the top of my head I'm already at a loss.
Revenue
Game fees (70 x 9) = 630
Expenses
Uniform refresh = 350
Association dues, clinics, etc. = 100
Transportation expenses = 200
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I work in Northern California. We receive$81 for varsity. $120 for JV/Varsity and $56 for freshman.
No travel fees.
As far as food goes most places gives us whatever we want at the snack bar. Some schools are better than others. I agree that small schools are more generous and have better food. Although most nights I just have a gatorade and a sNiCkErS at half-time.
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Wow. You are getting shafted as am I. This year I worked a 5A vs 4A game and got $120.00, 3A game got $120, and a 1A game paid the most with $130. Just trying to figure out how the 1A game paid more when it was clear by looking at the fans that the bigger classifications had more. Oh well, compared to what others are posting I am very happy with my pay. :) Come to Texas boys and we'll pay you good here. (for now anyways)
So true Jason, but you cannot fight the schools. They essentially pay what they want. If you question them then you are the bad guy. I think we get paid fairly, for the most part. I think sub varsity pay is too low though.
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SubVarsity should be seen as a training ground for players, coaches AND officials not as a money maker. If there is an area where we can help our own taxpayers, it is in limiting expenses to continue those programs. The current pay scale is working as we do not have a shortage (except for those games in the hinterlands which is a whole 'nuther issue). Besides, most guys make way too much on varsity games so it all comes out even in the wash.
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Mike, if it were truly training ground, then why are all the D1's having to work them? An example of what's wrong with sv pay, I worked a 6 man middle school game a couple weeks ago that went 1 hour and 45 minutes. Pay was $35. That's certainly not worth it for me to get out there but since I have work 5 Thursdays, I work them.
I liked the pay we got a few years ago, $40 for all sv games regardless of level.
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Mike, if it were truly training ground, then why are all the D1's having to work them? An example of what's wrong with sv pay, I worked a 6 man middle school game a couple weeks ago that went 1 hour and 45 minutes. Pay was $35. That's certainly not worth it for me to get out there but since I have work 5 Thursdays, I work them.
I liked the pay we got a few years ago, $40 for all sv games regardless of level.
1 - D1's need training as much as anyone else. If you don't believe it, watch some of our Thursday Night Light broadcasts
2 - We have so many D1"s that if they did NOT work them, there would not be enough stripes to covwer the games
3 - If you let a 6-man MS game go 1:45 that sounds like a game management issue to me
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D1's need training with 5 man crews. SV games do little in the training department for officials at this level.
I agree with covering games, but honestly, there are way too many games. Some schools have 2 freshmen, 1 sophomore, 2 JV's. Now cutting some of those games out could certainly save schools money.
Hey, we ran 8 minute quarters and cheated that clock as much as possible. The biggest problem was the lack of receivers!
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D1's need training with 5 man crews. SV games do little in the training department for officials at this level.
I am talking about Rules training not mechanics training. They need that.
I agree with covering games, but honestly, there are way too many games. Some schools have 2 freshmen, 1 sophomore, 2 JV's. Now cutting some of those games out could certainly save schools money.
Agreed. They might want to consider intramural programs if they want the kids doing things outside of school, using kids as officials.
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IMHO. If a D1 doesn't work like a D1 should then no amount of additional "training" is going to help, whether mechanics or rules. I also believe that rules training occurs primarily through personal study and testing. Application of the rules in game situations is an important skill to learn but your rules knowledge base (training) is established prior to walking onto the field.
No matter how you look at it though we are not compensated enough for the total time committed to providing our services.
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No matter how you look at it though we are not compensated enough for the total time committed to providing our services.
Agreed.
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IMHO. If a D1 doesn't work like a D1 should then no amount of additional "training" is going to help, whether mechanics or rules. I also believe that rules training occurs primarily through personal study and testing. Application of the rules in game situations is an important skill to learn but your rules knowledge base (training) is established prior to walking onto the field.
No matter how you look at it though we are not compensated enough for the total time committed to providing our services.
If your "compensation" consists only of financial reward then you are in it for the wrong reason anyway.
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Why do we do this?
I often reflect on that question. I probably wouldn't do it if I didn't get paid for it, but the amount of pay danged sure ain't why I got and stayed into it. So why? In my case, if I could answer that, I probably wouldn't do it. At this point, it is in my soul. It's what I do. It isn't my occupation, but, nonetheless, it is what I do. I could change occupations. It would still be what I do. When I get to a game, they hand me a check, and I just drop it my briefcase. I don't even look at it. I hand it to my wife when I get home. Then I go out and do it again the next week. And I am disappointed when the season ends.
It is what I do.
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Responding from Italy
We make 35/40 EURO (50/55 USD more or less) for game depending on the level we work.
Pls travel expenses, never seen any food besides occasional offerings from team's stands (we work in a club organization rather than schools)
The Texans way (% of gate) would most probably hurt us. Usually you can count down people in the stands before kick off ... hEaDbAnG
Why we do it ?
For the passion for the game I guess. I started 8 years ago (I was 35 then) and was the only "sane" way to stay in the game ... playing, even at lowest level possible, would be too dangerous having a life outside football.
Ciao
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If you ever work my Vicenza Cougars, be kind. ;D
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I think some of you guys might want to re-evaluate motives. I honestly don't know how much I get for a game. It might be 40 for varsity. I know I'm getting $18 for a pee wee game tomorrow.
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If my comments sound ungrateful they're not meant to be, however in this day of modern, "super competitive business, i.e. keeping up with the Joneses" I simply don't see the problem with the officiating crew asking for a fair compensation/benefit package. If it is not offered, either accept what they are offering, or don't.
In most states the associations (governing bodies) either look out for you, or they don't. In Arkansas, there is a "suggested minimum pay" of $65 for Varsity, and $40 for Jr. Varsity. They also suggest paying mileage. Some schools do better than suggested, and some do just the minimum.
Many schools offer a fair pay. Food varies. Showers are rare.
So you know what our state minimums are. Our crew also has our minimums, and what we are looking for. We try to obtain contracts with schools that pay $80 to $105 per official with travel pay of $20 to $60. We travel an average 125 miles each way to do the contest. Our time in the car allows us to pre-game and fellowship both before and after the game. We get to see many different parts of the state.
We've had everything from concession stand fare to cold, uncooked chicken to a homemade cajun spread, even one school coordinated homemade lasagna/salad/rolls/brownies.
Here is where the keeping up with the Joneses comment comes in...many of the schools in our states are moderately at or below budget with a few who are super funded. Before you throw in the "schools can't afford to pay officials well argument" many of these under funded schools within the last 2 to 3 years have installed $150k to $1M worth of new turf/stadiums/fieldhouses, etc. and are being featured in statewide publications, so the money is there, it is just getting the school to place a value on the service you provide to them.
Last night for instance, we travelled 160 miles round trip, made $85 for officiating, the driver got $40 extra, we all were paid cash at halftime, the coach fed us chicken fajita meals from the local hispanic restaurant. We had a place to shower and were treated extremely well. That made it a memorable night, and for most a rare experience. It also makes up for the nights when other schools of better means don't even want to give you water!
I think as an officiating crew, you have the right to negotiate the best contract for your crew. If you don't have that right, then as far as my crew is concerned, there are those schools who value what we do and we will seek them out. They're out there. My calendar is 85% filled with their contracts!
Lastly, if coaches can hold you to a standard of officiating, why can you not hold their school accountable to a standard of hospitality? Is good/great hospitality expected, or should it be required? That's up to you to decide. We look at it as a courtesy, and we are always grateful for whatever we receive. However, the employer/independent contractor relationship should be a double sided street. Good dialog with the coaching staff can't do anything but improve conditions (where lacking) for your fellow officials.
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Showers are rare.
Really? You have to drive 125 miles back home without a shower? I can't understand that.
Best regards,
Brad
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Not sure what part of Arkansas he works...but in our area showers are rare...especially when you get into small schools. Sometimes you change in a coaches office.
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Heck there are not even that many houses in Arkansas that have showers are there? Why would you expect there to be any for officials at a football game.
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Yeah Mike, I would agree...kind of like all the homes in Texas that don't have indoor plumbing and toilets in Texas. ;)
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I guess...if your only exposure to Texas is Texarkana.
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one problem in TX seems to be the "season" tickets. Many districts don't consider them "gate". For example, last year, had a game where the stadium held 10K folks, reported on the radio during the game (so I was told) that they were turning folks away at the gate. So... you would think a sellout. I have no idea what a ticket costs, but I would guess they average about 4$ per to cover the bands, teachers, etc that don't pay, and it makes the math easy.
40,000
-20,000 = 125.00
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20,000 @ 20.00/5,000 = 80.00
Rider = 10.00
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215.00
our checks were 145.00. So, either they made up their own pay schedule or they didn't pay the rider fee, because it will always be an odd number over the 115$ level.
It does no good to question their math, tried that before and was received not too kindly by the AD as in how dare a lowly official dare question the figures that they determined were correct.
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TXMike...
I have never been to Texarkana...lived in DFW for 2 years...go figure.
Have a good day...
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one problem in TX seems to be the "season" tickets. Many districts don't consider them "gate". For example, last year, had a game where the stadium held 10K folks, reported on the radio during the game (so I was told) that they were turning folks away at the gate. So... you would think a sellout. I have no idea what a ticket costs, but I would guess they average about 4$ per to cover the bands, teachers, etc that don't pay, and it makes the math easy.
40,000
-20,000 = 125.00
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20,000 @ 20.00/5,000 = 80.00
Rider = 10.00
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215.00
our checks were 145.00. So, either they made up their own pay schedule or they didn't pay the rider fee, because it will always be an odd number over the 115$ level.
It does no good to question their math, tried that before and was received not too kindly by the AD as in how dare a lowly official dare question the figures that they determined were correct.
I had an official report to me that they received $123.21 including mileage. Explain that.
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??? LOL hEaDbAnG
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Responding from Italy
We make 35/40 EURO (50/55 USD more or less) for game depending on the level we work.
Pls travel expenses, never seen any food besides occasional offerings from team's stands (we work in a club organization rather than schools)
The Texans way (% of gate) would most probably hurt us. Usually you can count down people in the stands before kick off ... hEaDbAnG
Why we do it ?
For the passion for the game I guess. I started 8 years ago (I was 35 then) and was the only "sane" way to stay in the game ... playing, even at lowest level possible, would be too dangerous having a life outside football.
Ciao
I read the book "Playing for Pizza" by John Grisham. Great book about an American guy playing QB on an Italian team.
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I think as an officiating crew, you have the right to negotiate the best contract for your crew. If you don't have that right, then as far as my crew is concerned, there are those schools who value what we do and we will seek them out. They're out there. My calendar is 85% filled with their contracts!
You get to negotiate your pay with the schools? Wow. That's one of the reason there are problems between TASO and the UIL in Texas. Some associations wanted to negotiate with the schools but the UIL dictates our pay. What is very irritating is that most schools do not follow UIL rules, but we can't say a thing about it.
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You get to negotiate your pay with the schools? Wow. That's one of the reason there are problems between TASO and the UIL in Texas. Some associations wanted to negotiate with the schools but the UIL dictates our pay. What is very irritating is that most schools do not follow UIL rules, but we can't say a thing about it.
Didn't you know? Adherence to 1204 is a one-way street.
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I read the book "Playing for Pizza" by John Grisham. Great book about an American guy playing QB on an Italian team.
That was a good book. ^good
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Personally, I don't question or judge anyone else's motivation for doing what we do. We all have our reasons and they are all valid if they keep us on the field.
I am happy for you guys that don't look at your checks. However, while I am certainly not in it for the money I don't like being taken advantage of. I have a problem working in $10 to $20 million stadiums for head coaches making 6 figures with 15 other coaches at their side and having the guys on our crew making less for their efforts that night than the security guards the school hired for the game. In Texas you don't have to take a hard look around to see the money being spent on high school football. When the schools can obviously afford fair compensation for our time and expenses I don't think it is too much to ask that they do.
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I am waiting to put my services up on EBAY and let the schools bid on me and my crew. I bet I will be able to do that in my life time.