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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: Yellow Flag on August 27, 2011, 11:48:46 AM
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K lines up for a free kick at their 40. K12 attempts to onside kick, but kicked the edge of the ball which spins to the 41 yard line (only 1 yard). K12 then kicks the ball the second time which rolls 10 more yards and is down by R. Penalty????
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NCAA: this is illegally kicking the ball. Penalty is 10 yards from the basic spot, which would be the previous spot as this is a legal kick play. Team B most likely declines the penalty, 1st and 10 for team B at B-49.
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Actually, team B will most likely accept the penalty and have it tacked on at the recovery spot
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Actually, team B will most likely accept the penalty and have it tacked on at the recovery spot
Of course. It shows that I've cut down on actual on the field work...
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What about NFHS?
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What about NFHS?
Illegal kick. Basic spot is the previous spot, the K40. If accepted, the fifteen-yard penalty will be enforced from the K40 to the K25 for another free kick. If declined, R will take possession at the dead ball spot. There is no option to tack on to the recovery.
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+1 Illegal kick: 2-24-9
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Does the receiving team have the option of taking the ball at the 41, as the spot of illegal/first touching?
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Does the receiving team have the option of taking the ball at the 41, as the spot of illegal/first touching?
NCAA - Yes, they would. They'd have to decline then penalty (because the spot of illegal touching is not the spot where the dead-ball belongs to B), but that's still more advantageous.
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NCAA - Yes, they would. They'd have to decline then penalty (because the spot of illegal touching is not the spot where the dead-ball belongs to B), but that's still more advantageous.
Actually, in this case they end up being the same spot (A-41), but you're absolutely right, they can take the illegal touch which might be advantageous in other situations.
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Actually, in this case they end up being the same spot (A-41), but you're absolutely right, they can take the illegal touch which might be advantageous in other situations.
Yes - I had 'tunnel vision' on a 5-yard penalty, such as a kick out of bounds or offside, which are the most common add-ons.
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"Illegal kick. Basic spot is the previous spot, the K40. If accepted, the fifteen-yard penalty will be enforced from the K40 to the K25 for another free kick. If declined, R will take possession at the dead ball spot. There is no option to tack on to the recovery."
NoVaBJ
That's what I thought, but I can not find it in the rule/case book. Could you help me out? Thanks
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There's no case covering this play. The ruling is based on multiple provisions, one of which I've already given you. You must piece them together to get this ruling.
2-24-9 defines an illegal kick (anything other than a kickoff, place kick, drop kick, or punt is illegal).
The basic spot for a loose ball play is the previous spot: 2-41-1.
The penalty for illegal kick is 15 yards: 9-7 PENALTY.
Enforcement is standard under 10-1.
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NFHS: Are we in agreement that K is guilty of both illegal kicking AND first touching on this play?