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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: TXMike on August 27, 2011, 09:24:08 PM

Title: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: TXMike on August 27, 2011, 09:24:08 PM
May be the toughest call R's have to make...forward pass or fumble?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGSkmIegE0E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGSkmIegE0E)
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: El Macman on August 27, 2011, 10:06:53 PM
Yes, very difficult. After watching replays, I'd go with incomplete pass. In real time, I don't know...
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: chymechowder on August 27, 2011, 10:43:13 PM
slo mo suggests incomplete. live action first look, it's more of a coin flip.

it seems that on the "bang bang" play of this variety, when the ball comes out forward, it's usually called incomplete. (which can be a tough break for the defender when he's the one knocking it forward.)
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: Kalle on August 28, 2011, 01:40:48 AM
With the last view from the R's angle I'd go with incomplete. No cheap turnovers, you know.
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: carrollyp1 on August 29, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
To me it seems the QB is on the three and the ball hits the ground on the four. Anytime a pass is parallel or ahead, I consider the pass to be on the side of incomplete.
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: JasonTX on August 29, 2011, 10:37:34 PM
Quote from: carrollyp1 on August 29, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
To me it seems the QB is on the three and the ball hits the ground on the four. Anytime a pass is parallel or ahead, I consider the pass to be on the side of incomplete.

Even if the pass were to go backwards, it would still be an incomplete forward pass.  By rule, if a passer arm is moving forward and there is contact to him that causes the ball to travel backwards, it is still an incomplete forward pass.
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on August 29, 2011, 11:44:41 PM
Quote from: JasonTX on August 29, 2011, 10:37:34 PM
Even if the pass were to go backwards, it would still be an incomplete forward pass.  By rule, if a passer arm is moving forward and there is contact to him that causes the ball to travel backwards, it is still an incomplete forward pass.

Jason has the correct call, although a real tough one in full speed real time, in slo-mo pretty clear that the arm is moving forward before the ball comes out so it's an incomplete forward pass.
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: DD on August 31, 2011, 05:58:53 AM
You have to ask yourself, is the forward motion of the passer intentional or not. If the forward motion is due to the hit, fumble.
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: blindref757 on September 06, 2011, 05:46:27 AM
I think I've been told...When in doubt, it is forward.  The R went to the side to get some help (does that mean he was in doubt?).  I think I'd have incomplete in this situation.
Title: Re: Fwd Pass or Fumble (video)
Post by: Joe Stack on September 08, 2011, 10:16:15 PM
Jason's right: that bothered me more than whether they ruled the rest right.

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When  a  Team  A  player  is  holding  the  ball  to  pass  it  forward  toward  the   neutral   zone,   any   intentional   forward   movement   of   his   hand   or   arm   starts   the  forward  pass.  If  a  Team  B  player  contacts  the  passer  or  ball  after  f   orward   movement   begins   and   the   ball   leaves   the   passer’s   hand,   a   forward   pass   is   ruled  regardless  of  where  the  ball  strikes  the  ground  or  a  player  (A.R.  2-­19-­ 2-­I).