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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: clearwall on September 12, 2011, 04:48:12 PM
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Saw this in a MS game this weekend and none of us on the crew could think of anything that specifically made this play illegal...
Team A groups together with 11 players inside the numbers with the kicker in front and in the middle. As the whistle is blown, they all run screaming towards the ball on the tee at the 40. Before the ball is kicked, they all stop, back up and proceed to kick off as normal.
The only thing I could think would be anything close to this is if you consider the screaming a "disconcerting signal" but that's really reaching IMHO.
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Is there an issue if the K players run beyond the restraining line then back up behind the line and then K kicks the ball?
Any foul here? 6-1-2 states "When the ball is kicked".
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Nothing illegal about it. This practice seems to become popular every so often and then you don't see it that much for a while. About 5 years ago it seemed like a third of the teams I saw were doing it. Now I might see it from one or two teams a season.
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There was a D2 team in the Gulf South doing that for a while 5-7 years ago (maybe more than one...I can't really remember). One time, one of the players slipped and went past the restraining line. He got up, went back to where he was supposed to be, and then they kicked the ball. One of the coaches on the other team went absolutely nuts. It was my call but I was on the other sideline. The official on that side asked the coach what the foul would be. He couldn't come up with anything but said it had to be a foul. :D
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Nothing illegal about it. This practice seems to become popular every so often and then you don't see it that much for a while. About 5 years ago it seemed like a third of the teams I saw were doing it. Now I might see it from one or two teams a season.
Why? I mean, why do it?
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Just to rile up the opposing Coach from what I've seen!
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Blow the RFP quick enough and they stand a good chance of the play clock running out while they do all these histronics. Then they get hammered for delay of game.
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Why? I mean, why do it?
Maybe to get the receiving team to be asleep at the switch when they actually do execute an onside kick after faking it multiple times?
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Is there an issue if the K players run beyond the restraining line then back up behind the line and then K kicks the ball?
No foul by Team A.
The signal for a 6-1-2-a infraction is S18 (offside*), not S19 (encroachment).
* Elvis, Did you note the use of the singular? pHiNzuP
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Thanks for the confirmation. Yes, the reason they did it was because they ALSO kicked an on-side from that same formation and were trying to lull the other team to sleep with it. Run up there screaming a few times, back up, kickoff. Then, out of the blue, do it again and actually kick it onside
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Nothing illegal, they are just trying to fake out the receiving team. I know some teams that did this almost every time and would then run an onside kick to keep the team off guard. No big deal.
Peace
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No foul by Team A.
The signal for a 6-1-2-a infraction is S18 (offside*), not S19 (encroachment).
* Elvis, Did you note the use of the singular? pHiNzuP
Elvis left the building long ago, but I am well acquainted with him, and he sends a hearty, "Thank you, sir. Thank you very muchhh."
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The only thing I could think would be anything close to this is if you consider the screaming a "disconcerting signal" but that's really reaching IMHO.
Remember that disconserting signals is not a foul that Team A commits. This is a Team B foul for simulating Team A's snap count.