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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: NWA_UMP on October 24, 2011, 11:00:44 PM
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JV game tonight. My crew flagged a coach for sideline warning. The coach goes ballistic on the call. His issue is why do I have to be back when the play is on the farside hash? My HL explains the rule and the coach gets back but is still grumbling. Final whistle blows and as my HL is leaving the sideline said coach starts yelling at my HL. His comments are filled with 4 letter words and basically states no wonder we work Monday nights as we will never get Friday night games.
I have had issues with this coach in the past when I was HL. First he'll tell you it's a JV game and it doesn't matter then blows up when he doesn't like the call...how should we/me handle the after whistle comments? Thought about emailing both association prez and head coach. Don't know if that's a good idea or if I should just let it drop?
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Minimum email to your president or assigner. I'd personally file an incident report with the state for something like that. Whatever you do, please don't just let it slide.
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There was a rule change this year to 1-1-8 that states officials have administrative responsibility for the game until such time as any required reports are filed. The goal of this rule was to allow the officials to file reports of USC that occur after the end of the game. The case book plays for this new rule suggest that any one who commits an act that would have been considered USC during the game should be reported to the state association for appropriate discipline.
I would report this to the school AD, State/Section Association and assignor.
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Any coach that thinks some rules don't matter in a JV game is crazy. I had a JV game where in the first 3 plays of the game I helped a receiver line up on the line of scrimmage correctly. I feel in JV games, it's my duty that at the beginning of the game to help the outside receivers establish where they are supposed to line up and make sure they aren't too far back or lined up in the neutral zone. Well, in the 4Q when the team is driving to take the lead. A receiver I had helped in the first series of the game was lined up almost to the nose of the ball in the neutral zone on 3rd down, so I killed the play and explained the foul to the coach. He then told me that since it was a JV game that it shouldn't count because quote "the kid probably doesn't even know what the neutral zone is". Then sir, you need to do a better job coaching and have a nice talk with your offensive coordinator.
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based on some JV coaches I've seen, it seems about the same amount of them won't make it to coaching on fridays as officials won't make it to friday.
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Final whistle blows and as my HL is leaving the sideline said coach starts yelling at my HL.
End of story. Jog away from problem quickly and let him embarrass himself as you quickly depart. Do not acknowledge or look at the person.
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I was just going to say my comment would be "Coach, I see why you have to be coaching out here on Monday nights also. And by the way, since I still have jurisdiction, you just got next Monday night off. Enjoy MNF from the comfort of your home."
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Allow me to share some really sound advice, passed down from my father, that I'm periodically reminded I should follow more closely, "You can't win an argument with a fool, so don't waste your effort trying".
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It's fascinating. Coaches gripe about bad calls, etc., yet if we do the same to a coach about a bad play he called, our respective States would have hour head.
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It's fascinating. Coaches gripe about bad calls, etc., yet if we do the same to a coach about a bad play he called, our respective States would have hour head.
Someone has to be the adult. It might as well be us.
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It's fascinating. Coaches gripe about bad calls, etc., yet if we do the same to a coach about a bad play he called, our respective States would have hour head.
The last thing I want is for us to be held to the same "standard of conduct" as a coach. We should be held to a higher standard.
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Allow me to share some really sound advice, passed down from my father, that I'm periodically reminded I should follow more closely, "You can't win an argument with a fool, so don't waste your effort trying".
My version is "Don't argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level then beat you with experience."
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The last thing I want is for us to be held to the same "standard of conduct" as a coach. We should be held to a higher standard.
Oh yeah, I get it Mike. One of those things where a coach thinks he's coaching Oregon and that he has the talent to sling around the field 35 times a night and complete only 5 of them...
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Like the 2d year official who is convinced he can be in the NFL in 3 - 5 more years
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Like the 2d year official who is convinced he can be in the NFL in 3 - 5 more years
agreed
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I didn't find out about the comments until we hit the locker room. Had a meeting with the prez of our association today. Already scheduled, so I let him know. He wants a report from the HL on what happened so he can forward to head coach. His advice was to administer a immediate unsportsmanlike conduct with ejection for using profanity. His point is were not done until we leave the field. With an ejection he must serve a game suspension...or Friday night for this coach...special teams for the Varsity.
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The last thing I want is for us to be held to the same "standard of conduct" as a coach. We should be held to a higher standard.
But for this to change, we have to be willing to file the reports, throw the flags, and demand better behavior by the adults. The referees who think they will gain the favor of the coaching staff and future assignments by ignoring this conduct and letting them act inappropriately are just a different form of dirty.