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Football Officiating => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ump62 on October 25, 2011, 05:22:53 PM
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I have seen some discussion about ejecting Coaches and was curious about how many of us have actually ejected a Coach.
Here's the format -
Total number of ejections -
Your current years of experience -
Your years of experience the last time you ejected a Coach -
What Level game for the most recent ejection -
I'll start -
1 Ejection
22 years of total experience
2nd year
Pee Wee
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2 ejections.
6 years.
6th year.
Youth.
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Clarity required: do you mean, eject, personally, or simply have been on a crew where a coach was given the heave?
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0 coach ejections
19 years experience
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0 ejections
26 years
Now I have laid a flag on several coaches but never ejection.
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0
24
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1 assistant coach
18 years
middle school
(He came out on to the field and kicked the WH's flag that had been thrown on his boss for arguing a no-call on what they wanted a facemask called)
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0 ejections
13 years
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0 ejections
24 years
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1 ejection
37 years
Youth League
Two man crew. My teen-age partner was spotting the ball in the middle of the field and asked the coach to back up. Coach said loud enough for me to hear "Don't tell me what to do. I'll beat your BUTT."
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1 ejection
24 years
Ejected the varsity HC during a JV game for calling us "cheaters".
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0 ejections personally
4 years (geez I think I just sold myself up river as the rookie :o)
I have worked a couple of games where coaches were EJ'd but not by me. These were youth and sub-varsity games.
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0 ejections
17 years
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1 Coach Ejection
28 years
Youth Game (about 17 or 18 years ago) (Coach took a swing at a child from the other team while calling the child a "little sonofabitch")
If this was the basketball board these numbers would be significantly different.
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0 ejections
12 years
only time I came remotely close was in a pop warner playoff game working the wing. at snap take I shuffle step and hit the coach's foot, twisting my ankle pretty bad. I went down, got back up, calmly threw the flag. after the play told the WH. he walks off the 15.
I get back to the sideline and the guy is whining to me that it shouldnt have been 15. like I was the troublemaker.... it's one of the few times I felt actual anger on the field. I took a breath and ignored the clown.
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0 ejections
8 years (4 years as WH specially in Junior games - Under 18years)
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two ejections, 15 years
One at atom, when a coach started dropping very audible f-bombs to his own players (coaches were allowed on the field at that level)
Last year, when a trainer came out to tend to an injure player and proudly declared, with unprintable words, that we were perhaps not deemed worthy in his estimation. (The team was winning big, too, which makes the toss even odder.)
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16th season.
No coach ejections. (None has spoken the magic words. I presuppose that "I'll beat your BUTT" would do it, though. LMAO)
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1 youth coach
13 years
In a post season turny game he dropped 4-5 F bombs because the LJ did not flag the other teams player for not wearing his mouth piece! Bad thing is I had this team the year before and this coach was a great guy. After I marked off 30 yards the head coach told me we needed to do the right thing for the kids (9-10 year olds) who heard everything the asst. Coach yelled.
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24th season, 22nd as R
1 coach ejection, sometime between my 5th and 7th season
WR broke free ran down the sideline and OOB. Coach tackled him.
Senior league (in Australia, over 18s)
Same season, ejected my HL. Back in those days, we regularly had to use player-officials, and the chain crew also comprises players (2 games at the same venue, back to back. Player officials and chain crew supplied by teams at the other game at that venue). Anyhow, the 1st game had been pretty ugly, and there were simmering tensions between the players from the two teams. My HL and the chain crew were from those two opposing teams. In the 4th quarter, a fight broke out between my HL and the box man. Tossed them and finished the game with a 3 man crew.
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1 ejection.
13 years.
youth.
Lots of flags on youth coaches. Not one single flag in varsity for USC. Sideline warning is a whole other story.
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Looks like a common theme is developing regarding youth league coaches.
Zero ejections for me so far, but have come close twice.
First, in a Youth league (continuing the theme). I called a chop block on a team that had a history of running up the score. Coach didn't like it and said that's how he taught the kids. I offered that this probably wasn't a good lesson for him. He started to get a bit beligerant and I offered to show him in the rule book after the game. He accpeted my offer and calmed down (somewhat).
Second, in a different Youth league (and the theme continues). Another team that has a history of running up the score. The RB kept putting his head down when meeting a tackle. I kept reminding him to keep his head up. Coach starts to get agitated. Later, same kid on defense rushes the QB and plants the top of the helmet right in the small of the back of the QB as he lets go a pass. I flag it. Coach goes ballistic thinking I called a roughing the passer penalty. I told him the call was a PF illegal helmet contact. Again, coah tells me that this is how he teaches it, I offer to show him in the rule book why that is a bad idea.
Now for the fun part. Both teams have history of poor sportmanship and both coaches have been ejected by other officials on several occassions. They play in different youth leagues. This weekend, we are having a huge postseason Youth league tournament with youth teams from across the state (including a few from out of state). I will be working the white hat when these 2 teams play each other tomorrow. Should be interesting.
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1 varsity coach ejection (contact with an official)
1 youth coach ejection (excessive stupidity)
8 years
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1 youth coach ejection (excessive stupidity)
If I called that, I'd have a 94% ejection rate!!!
>:D
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1 EJ
6 years
Sub-Varsity BUTTistant Coach
He received his first USC because he was near the hash marks YELLING about a measurement that he wanted. We were working on a turf field and it was clearly a 1st down. The HC says nothing to us about a measurement. The assistants second USC, he decided that yelling at us from a distance was ineffective so he got directly in my face and started yelling at me, like coaches yell at umpires in baseball. We tried to calm him down...
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Later, same kid on defense rushes the QB and plants the top of the helmet right in the small of the back of the QB as he lets go a pass. I flag it. Coach goes ballistic thinking I called a roughing the passer penalty. I told him the call was a PF illegal helmet contact.
Had the QB not released the pass yet? 'Cause it sounds like RTP.
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Had the QB not released the pass yet? 'Cause it sounds like RTP.
It was a bang/bang type of thing. Contact was made just as the pass was let go. It wasn't RTP (which the coach thought I was calling).
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Looks like a common theme is developing regarding youth league coaches.
Zero ejections for me so far, but have come close twice.
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First, in a Youth league (continuing the theme). I called a chop block on a team that had a history of running up the score. Coach didn't like it and said that's how he taught the kids. I offered that this probably wasn't a good lesson for him. He started to get a bit beligerant and I offered to show him in the rule book after the game. He accpeted my offer and calmed down (somewhat).
Second, in a different Youth league (and the theme continues). Another team that has a history of running up the score. The RB kept putting his head down when meeting a tackle. I kept reminding him to keep his head up. Coach starts to get agitated. Later, same kid on defense rushes the QB and plants the top of the helmet right in the small of the back of the QB as he lets go a pass. I flag it. Coach goes ballistic thinking I called a roughing the passer penalty. I told him the call was a PF illegal helmet contact. Again, coah tells me that this is how he teaches it, I offer to show him in the rule book why that is a bad idea.
Now for the fun part. Both teams have history of poor sportmanship and both coaches have been ejected by other officials on several occassions. They play in different youth leagues. This weekend, we are having a huge postseason Youth league tournament with youth teams from across the state (including a few from out of state). I will be working the white hat when these 2 teams play each other tomorrow. Should be interesting.
You are going to tell us if anything happened...
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Both coaches were on their best behavior. One team dominated the other but it was good and clean the whole game.
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0 in 12 years.
My closest was very similar to chymechowder.
I contact a coach and throw my flag.
Coach calls a coaches conference to complain to the R - he accepts the flag and that he was in the wrong position . Thinks I went out of my way to make contact with him and says to the R that if I touch him again he will get violent.
I think I was more upset at the R for 1) not tossing him for threatening me 2) not even charging a time out for the conference...
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I contact a coach and throw my flag.
Coach calls a coaches conference to complain to the R - he accepts the flag and that he was in the wrong position . Thinks I went out of my way to make contact with him and says to the R that if I touch him again he will get violent.
I think I was more upset at the R for 1) not tossing him for threatening me 2) not even charging a time out for the conference...
That would have been an easy one:
"Coach, we sure want to avoid that, and since you just threatened one of my officials [flag in the air] you're getting a USC and an ejection. That will prevent another collision from happening today. You're welcome."
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1 ejection in 3 years (happened this season). Peewee (6 & 7 yr olds) game - home team trailed by 5 late but had just turned it over on downs; out of time-outs, they couldn't stop the visitors from kneeling it out. For some reason, home coaches (my sideline) thought this was somehow "not football," as they were yelling across the field at the kids to "play football." :!#
On the first snap of the series, home player busts through the line and hits QB after he kneels. WH throws a flag for PF-UNR, and home sideline goes berserk. Before the next snap, one of the assistants yells "Hit 'em again, [player name]!" Then, directed at the other team, "Stop being a bunch of sissies and play football!" ^flag
Before the flag hits the ground, he says something loud (probably swore, but I couldn't make it out) and kicks a yard-line marker on the field. UNS #2, see ya. Enjoy next Saturday off.
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Enjoy next Saturday off.
Hopefully, this league told him his services were no longer necessary. People such as this have no business coaching children. To keep him around will do nothing but invite trouble in the future.
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Hopefully, this league told him his services were no longer necessary. People such as this have no business coaching children. To keep him around will do nothing but invite trouble in the future.
I have no idea what the league did, I haven't asked. I sent in my report and it was sent to the league. My hunch is that no action beyond the mandated 1-game suspension was taken, but I don't know for a fact.
When my own kid is old enough for sports, you can be damn sure I'll be careful about the coaches he plays for. Talk about a poor role model...
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0 ejections
3rd year.
I have been on the field when a coach was ejected. It was this year. PeeWee of course (seems to be a theme here). Anyways, he got his 3rd or 4th penalty in a row for holding on the same kid (perhaps you should teach him not to hold.. but i digress). The 4th one calls back a touch down in a close game (playoffs) and he just goes nuts. He throws his hat. Then the coach tells the LJ, a former marine who served two combat tours in Iraq, that he will "Meet him outside the fence where he will put his hands on him". That got him the ejection. Fortunately, the coach decided not to get the beat down of his life and left the field. ANd this guy is the president of his organization (4 teams in the organization).
After he left, his team won the game. We (the WH and myself) specifically asked the assigner not to put us working this guys game the next week (this past Saturday). The schedule gets messed up, and 3 of us who have had our issues with this coach work his 2nd round playoff game. He was as calm as a kitten in that game.... I guess the league told him to shape up or ship out.
/shrug.