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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: ck4597 on November 11, 2011, 11:06:22 AM

Title: Batting
Post by: ck4597 on November 11, 2011, 11:06:22 AM: Got this cae play from a crew member....

Second and 8 on B’s 47. A22 fumbles at B’s 41. A88 is about to recover on B’s 43 when B56 bats the ball backward. The ball hits B78, is muffed by players attempting to recover the ball and rolls out of bounds on B’s 38.

A ball on B 28 1st and 10?
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: Curious on November 11, 2011, 12:19:38 PM: Illegal bat (7-7-2) in any direction.

Basic spot is end of the run (B's 41). B's foul should be enforced from that spot. 15 yd penalty: 1st and 10 for A from B's 26.
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: ck4597 on November 11, 2011, 01:21:13 PM: 7-7-2? cant find? rules 7 ends with section 5???

Understand your theory with the enforcement spot
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: Curious on November 11, 2011, 01:59:50 PM: Quote from: ck4597 on November 11, 2011, 01:21:13 PM
7-7-2? cant find? rules 7 ends with section 5???

Understand your theory with the enforcement spot

Ooops! Sorry, fat fingers: S/B 9-7-2
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: mbyron on November 11, 2011, 02:22:18 PM: How do you figure that the basic spot is the end of the run? Sounds like a loose ball play to me. Basic spot is the previous spot, after enforcement 1/10 for A from the B32.
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: Curious on November 11, 2011, 02:27:15 PM: Quote from: mbyron on November 11, 2011, 02:22:18 PM
How do you figure that the basic spot is the end of the run? Sounds like a loose ball play to me. Basic spot is the previous spot, after enforcement 1/10 for A from the B32.

Snapped at B's 47; then fumbled at B's 41; B fouled...sounds like a running play (beyond the LOS) to me....enforce from end of run.
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: mbyron on November 11, 2011, 02:40:29 PM: Quote from: Curious on November 11, 2011, 02:27:15 PM
Snapped at B's 47; then fumbled at B's 41; B fouled...sounds like a running play (beyond the LOS) to me....enforce from end of run.
The foul occurred while the ball was loose, not during the run.
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: Curious on November 11, 2011, 02:56:33 PM: Quote from: mbyron on November 11, 2011, 02:40:29 PM
The foul occurred while the ball was loose, not during the run.

True, the ball was loose when the foul occurred; but BEYOND The LOS, a running play includes "a run followed by a loose ball...and continues until the ball becomes dead or some player gets possession"! Rule Book pgs 78 & 79 (definition of running play - item 2)
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: SanDiegoStryker on November 14, 2011, 03:34:04 PM: Yes, I think Curious is correct. Check the Enforcement section, pg 79: "A loose ball may be part of a running play and should not be confused with a loose-ball play."
Title: Re: Batting
Post by: HLinNC on November 14, 2011, 08:02:52 PM: Which is why there should be a bean bag at the spot where the runner loses possession.