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Title: Foxy Situation
Post by: TexDoc on December 11, 2011, 11:22:20 AM
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Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: 110 on December 11, 2011, 02:00:43 PM
Reason No. 426 to work minor league games. I actually had a situation where a dog almost tackled a ball carrier headed for a major: that forced me to go to the rule book and figure out what I woulda done had the dog actually taken down the kid in question.
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: Hank on December 11, 2011, 05:48:32 PM
I was thinking this would be another pic of "our favorite ref" sending greetings.
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: TXMike on December 11, 2011, 07:28:34 PM
I'll give the newspaper the benfit of the doubt but based on some "eyewitness" reports, the thing was not that close to the action.  Still looking for video of it but it seems it ran the length of the field. Some have even suggested Team A released it as a way to distract the defenders.  This play ended up being the winning TD I think. Buit stadium folks have said they have 2 foxes that are frequent "guests" to the facility.  So, who knows??  I did see one highlight video that included this TD and I did not see the creature and it sure did njot look like any defenders were stopping their attempts to make a tackle
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: clearwall on December 11, 2011, 07:32:37 PM
Reason No. 426 to work minor league games. I actually had a situation where a dog almost tackled a ball carrier headed for a major: that forced me to go to the rule book and figure out what I woulda done had the dog actually taken down the kid in question.
Would be like he just slipped on wet grass, right? Ncaa just says hes down when any part of his body touches the ground other than a hand.  Nfl would prob be diff, tho.
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: JasonTX on December 11, 2011, 09:45:05 PM
Would be like he just slipped on wet grass, right? Ncaa just says hes down when any part of his body touches the ground other than a hand.  Nfl would prob be diff, tho.

All we have is if the ball is loose and hits the fox we would use inadvertant whistle rules.

When a live ball not in player possession touches anything inbounds other
than a player, a player’s equipment, an official, an official’s equipment
or the ground (inadvertent-whistle provisions apply).
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: 110 on December 12, 2011, 06:05:14 AM
Would be like he just slipped on wet grass, right? Ncaa just says hes down when any part of his body touches the ground other than a hand.  Nfl would prob be diff, tho.

Yeah, the kid would still be down, but in Canadian rules, there's a whole special protocol for dealing with non-player interference. I can't recall my NFHS rules - but doesn't the same sorta protocol apply?
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: clearwall on December 12, 2011, 12:26:30 PM
All we have is if the ball is loose and hits the fox we would use inadvertant whistle rules.

When a live ball not in player possession touches anything inbounds other
than a player, a player’s equipment, an official, an official’s equipment
or the ground (inadvertent-whistle provisions apply).

I didnt see a part about a loose ball just thought it was talking about the dog tackling the runner.
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: AlUpstateNY on December 12, 2011, 03:59:02 PM
Using the basics of the "Inadvertent Whistle" mechanics (NF: 4-2-3-a,b,c or d) seems to make sense in a situation where a dog, fox or any other animal interferes with play, although it's NF: 1-1-6 that gives the authority to the referee and relys on his judgment, "to rule promptly and in the spirit of good sportsmanship, on any situation not covered in the rules".
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: TampaSteve on December 13, 2011, 11:40:45 AM
TX gents:
I have family in what seems to be their neck of the woods.
Is this SouthLake?
Additionally, from my understand, the game was won amid controversy. What allegedly happened?
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: Etref on December 13, 2011, 12:08:01 PM
TX gents:
I have family in what seems to be their neck of the woods.
Is this SouthLake?
Additionally, from my understand, the game was won amid controversy. What allegedly happened?

Southlake was playing Dallas Skyline. Came played at SMU

Onside kick recovered by SLC but there was blocking by SLC before the ball went 10 yards or was touched.
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: cwag on December 13, 2011, 01:01:42 PM
TX gents:
I have family in what seems to be their neck of the woods.
Is this SouthLake?
Additionally, from my understand, the game was won amid controversy. What allegedly happened?

See posts under NCAA Discussions and Texas State topics. Lots of talk, a little video and opinions are split.  The best video is the one from WFAA that came from HUDL.

As for location, this is in the middle of Dallas.  I was told by SMU people that two of these animals are running around the area.
Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: HLinNC on December 14, 2011, 10:51:28 AM
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Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: TXMike on December 14, 2011, 09:07:09 PM
In some cases, if the fox were to touch the ball, it stay VERY  MUCH  ALIVE:

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Title: Re: Foxy Situation
Post by: TampaSteve on December 16, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
my, oh my.