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Title: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: Hank on December 18, 2011, 10:03:39 AM

At 4:26 of the 4th quarter.  Pass to A24 in end zone.  Touchdown signaled but player tackled and loses ball.  Touchdown or incomplete?  Maybe someone can post video.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: TXMike on December 18, 2011, 11:25:17 AM

http://youtu.be/vgcKLM0Zb6Y (http://youtu.be/vgcKLM0Zb6Y)

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: texref on December 18, 2011, 12:04:19 PM

I am good with the TD for this reason - he catches the ball and takes 3 steps with it before he is thrown down. Since the catch is complete in the EZ the play is over and the subsequent fumble is irrelevant.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: 110 on December 18, 2011, 02:00:21 PM

I don't think he ever had complete control of the ball.
 ^no

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: blindref757 on December 18, 2011, 07:01:37 PM

I do...but um just an umpire!  L was too quick on the signal, but it's pretty obvious that the catch is completed prior to the contact by the defender.  The ball is dead prior to the contact.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: Hank on December 18, 2011, 08:20:37 PM

I agree with Blindref.  Wanted to see what others thought.  I don't think this is a catch while going to the ground because the catch is made before the player goes to the ground.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: 110 on December 19, 2011, 05:56:12 AM

See, I'm seeing the ball move all over the joint: I don't see complete control.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: Kalle on December 19, 2011, 07:08:03 AM

I think I would rule this an incomplete pass at the A-50, so I'm going to rule an incomplete pass in the end zone, too. But I also think that this is very borderline, so would personally support another official ruling a catch and a fumble / TD.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: Neckbone on December 20, 2011, 10:12:32 AM

I'm with Tex.  Catch, three steps, tackle, ball comes loose after all of that.  I think it is a completions at the 50 and/or a TD every time. 
Seems like we are trying to get into the NFL completion of the process way too much.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: Welpe on December 20, 2011, 10:35:42 AM

Quote from: Livin' in the pit on December 19, 2011, 05:56:12 AM

See, I'm seeing the ball move all over the joint: I don't see complete control.

I think I'm on board with your thought here but the video isn't clear enough for me to be 100%.

Title: Re: TD or incomplete? DeKaney v Cibolo Steele
Post by: The Ref Thats Lef on December 20, 2011, 11:38:29 AM

One college supervisor I have spoken to says if the player making a catch comes to ground he must maintain possession of the ball.

I like that interpretation because it takes away all of the discussion above about whether he had 'enough control' to count as a TD or not and, on the field, different outcomes from different officials on the same play.

On that basis it was incomplete.