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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: El Macman on January 23, 2012, 03:21:22 PM
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Just an easy jog in the park, but a little slow at work today, so how about this:
3/10, 50. A11 receives the snap and hands the ball to A33 behind the NZ. A33 runs to the right, looking for an open receiver. Seeing no one open, and being forced to the sideline by B55, A33 throws the ball from the A-47 over the adjacent team area, landing near the stands (but beyond the NZ). During A33's run, B99 pulled end A88 to the ground at the B-45, near the right set of numbers.
Ruling:
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Offset. ING and DH.
Only the player that receives the snap gets afforded the ING exceptions.
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Offset. ING and DH.
Agreed, the exception language at the end of rule 7-3-2 limits the OK to throw-away wording to only the player who received the original snap.
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Pretty easy on paper. But a good academic 'visualization' exercise.
Your turn.
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A10 takes a direct snap form center and drops back 5 yards while the left tackle(A77) pulls to the right and sets up near A10. A10 then drops the ball to the ground and hauls butt towards the right. A77 drops to the ground in front of the ball shielding it from view but not possessing. After about 3 seconds, A24 picks up the ball and heads to the left side of the field. A24 is then tackled after a 20 yard gain.
Anything?
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Depends on a few things like a) is 5 yards considered to be "in the vicinity of the snapper" and b) where does the ball hit the ground in relation to where it was released.
While we could discuss the intricacies of a planned loose ball for quite awhile (loss of 5 from PS + LOD), what you probably have here is an incomplete forward pass. Let's say that he's not under duress (not trying to save yardage--just trying to execute a lame play that his coach dreamed up) so don't go looking for intentional grounding either.
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Dropping the ball is NOT passing the ball.
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I can't find the definition of "dropping" in Rule 2.
If it's an intentional act, the best you can go with is "throwing" it and so you must take into consideration the pass rules.
The act of "throwing" is not defined either, but common sense (and Websters) define it as propelling the ball in some matter, even if that's with a flick of the finger. Unless you rule that the ball is in motion solely and completely because of gravity and not Newton's third law, then you have propulsion, which is throwing, which is a pass.
I have never heard of (or ruled) that a player intentionally fumbled a ball. If the act was intentional, then in my mind he threw it. And if that's the case, then I rule on whether it was forward or backward by rule.
Besides, this is obviously a planned play so therefore it can be assumed A10 wanted to ball to go to a specific place, i.e. throwing it even with the ever-so-slightest of force.
All of my rambling aside, in simplest terms call this lame play incomplete and you've saved the coach a 5-yard penalty even if he deserved it by making us have to officiate this play.
By the way if you don't rule this a pass or in the vicinity of the snapper and you let it go, start thinking about 4th down/try fumble rules as a fumble is all you have left as for ball status.
I am so bored at work and it's only January.