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Title: Another one from our off season study
Post by: NorCalMike on February 29, 2012, 12:51:43 AM
First and 10 @ B20.  A82 blocks B21 and forces him out of bounds and continues to block him to keep him from returning in bounds.  A1 runs the ball into the end zone for a touchdown.

Ruling:                  Type of Play:
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Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: TampaSteve on February 29, 2012, 09:41:53 AM
Rule 9-6, Art 2, c, d.
seems that A intentionally went OOB & influenced and or otherwise participated in the play.
So we got IP, live ball, basic spot.
Snap.
Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: Harry on February 29, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: TampaSteve on February 29, 2012, 09:41:53 AM
Rule 9-6, Art 2, c, d.
seems that A intentionally went OOB & influenced and or otherwise participated in the play.
So we got IP, live ball, basic spot.
Snap.

I agree except the spot.  Wouldn't this be a spot foul since it is behind the basic spot on a running play?
Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: ljudge on February 29, 2012, 07:26:42 PM
There is not enough information here to suggest team A player committed a foul.  He could be standing invbounds and contacting the B player.  And, if he were out of bounds I'm still not so sure he's committing IP.  Was he really "influencing" the play.  At college level they specifically put in a rule last year because there was no rule in place preventing a player from doing what thw team A player was doing here.  I'm not sure Fed handled it as of yet.  (BUT I haven't picked up a fed rulebook in a while)
Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: NorCalMike on March 01, 2012, 01:39:06 AM
Assume that the A player did not go out of bounds intentionally. Is there any foul here?
Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: HLinNC on March 01, 2012, 11:03:33 AM
The IP scenario was for the receiver going OOB and touching a loose live ball.  Not sure how it got extrapolated out to this case.
Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: TampaSteve on March 01, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
Per 9-6, it states, "no player of A or K shall go out of bounds and return to the field during
the down unless blocked out of bounds by an opponent"
Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: Mike L on March 01, 2012, 06:22:21 PM
Quote from: TampaSteve on March 01, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
Per 9-6, it states, "no player of A or K shall go out of bounds and return to the field during
the down unless blocked out of bounds by an opponent"

Makes the assumption the A player went out of bounds which is not stated in the op.
Title: Re: Another one from our off season study
Post by: TampaSteve on March 02, 2012, 07:01:53 AM
Quote from: Mike L on March 01, 2012, 06:22:21 PM
Makes the assumption the A player went out of bounds which is not stated in the op.
...correct..Assuming A went OOB...    deadhorse:

If A was not OOB, there is no restriction in HS to block someone who is OOB.  Conversely, in NCAA there is I believe..