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Title: Shirt Plackets
Post by: JDM on June 07, 2012, 08:05:59 AM
Survey says?
Title: Re: Shirt Placards
Post by: rickref on June 07, 2012, 08:46:08 AM
My crew is not wearing them. I would susopect not many of us will as we can get swapped in and out of assignmenst at short notice. So much easier to just not have them. Just my pennies worth.
Title: Re: Shirt Placards
Post by: TxSkyBolt on June 07, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
 ^flagSurvey says they're called Plackets not placards.
Title: Re: Shirt Placards
Post by: Joe Stack on June 07, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
The college shirts come with the letter as part of the shirt. I'm unaware of a HS shirt that comes like that -- it would require a sew-on letter. I have no interest in adding something to my shirt.

If we switch to the 2" shirt or someone starts making the 1" with the letter on it, then maybe.
Title: Re: Shirt Placards
Post by: JDM on June 07, 2012, 12:53:26 PM
^flagSurvey says they're called Plackets not placards.

Dooley knoted.
Title: Re: Shirt Placards
Post by: Arbitrator on June 07, 2012, 12:57:14 PM
 ^flag

As long as all crew members are wearing them, they seem to be OK by me!

Question: Heard that the 2 inch stripes may be OK'd for high school football officiating in 2013. Anything out there to confirm or deny that?   z^
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Joe Stack on June 07, 2012, 02:08:47 PM
Haven't heard anything, but its got to be inevitable, even if only as a crew option.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: TexDoc on June 07, 2012, 05:40:46 PM
Those little plackets, plackards, whatever you want to call them, don't make you better officials, so I'm not pushing them on my crew unless they all want to wear them.  Makes no difference to me.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Ump62 on June 07, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
As far as HS moving to the 2" stripes...what I heard was that between, NF, TASO, NCAA and the NFL there is an agreement that we will all stay where we are. HS 1", NCAA - 2", NFL Copyrighted 2".
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Joe Stack on June 07, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
There's no such thing as a copyright on a shirt. They can trademark a design mark -- even a big one -- but the 2" stripe has been out on a shirt for decades in the NFL and been sold to the public for a long time for officials to wear working pro rules games (semi-pro mostly). Even if there was a way to trademark the design of the entire shirt, the NCAA couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Ump62 on June 07, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
Joe, go try to buy an NFL shirt and let me know what kind of luck you have. They have copyrighted, patented, watermarked...whatever, the style of the shirt with the tapered stripes, numbering and other particulars. There may be some other leagues using a 2" stripe but it is not the NFL shirt.
Title: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Welpe on June 07, 2012, 11:07:18 PM
As far as HS moving to the 2" stripes...what I heard was that between, NF, TASO, NCAA and the NFL there is an agreement that we will all stay where we are. HS 1", NCAA - 2", NFL Copyrighted 2".

That may be what has been done with TASO but not every state will adhere to that I'm sure.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: backjudge85 on June 08, 2012, 07:48:10 AM
TASO is not going to the 2" stripe in 2013.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Joe Stack on June 13, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
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TASO is not going to the 2" stripe in 2013.

I would request that when posting statements like this, people indicate the basis of their knowledge. I don't know who on here is tied in and who is just spouting opinions. Not asking that you burn any bridges with someone who told you something in relative confidence, but at least identify in general terms how or why you know this.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Etref on June 14, 2012, 08:28:08 AM
I would request that when posting statements like this, people indicate the basis of their knowledge. I don't know who on here is tied in and who is just spouting opinions. Not asking that you burn any bridges with someone who told you something in relative confidence, but at least identify in general terms how or why you know this.


I heard from a high up TASO Football board member we were not going to be using the 2" shirt.

Good enough?
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: JDM on June 14, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
Back to the original subject. I understand why members whose chapters don't operate under a crew system would be dissuaded to wear them due to working various positions. My crew has voted not to don plackets. Anyone care to share some valid reasons to do so?
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Etref on June 14, 2012, 03:03:31 PM
Back to the original subject. I understand why members whose chapters don't operate under a crew system would be dissuaded to wear them due to working various positions. My crew has voted not to don plackets. Anyone care to share some valid reasons to do so?

I do not see one. My crew has opted to not wear them.

Coaches and fans know the 5- man crew positions by now. Heck even most site announcers know who is where.........
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: fencewire on June 17, 2012, 11:29:51 PM
If you are on a crew and always work a certain position do you have any reasons not to wear them? If the whole crew wants to and/or doesn't care
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Welpe on June 17, 2012, 11:50:05 PM
I don't personally see the need for them but it's not a big deal one way or another. The only concern I'd have is that since I'm only working as a sub on varsity crews right now would be the potential to have to have a bunch of different lettered shirts.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: fencewire on June 18, 2012, 08:25:37 AM
Our crew hasn't decided yet either way, that has been the only negative that we have come up with if someone had to miss a game.  I think if we go with them the person who will be absent will have to leave their shirt behind for the fill in or we do a game without, it really doesn't matter, we all have plenty of unlettered shirts.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Getting Fat on August 08, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
dumb question, how far down the shirt should the top of the placard (placket) be?
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: TxSkyBolt on August 08, 2012, 03:19:22 PM
The placket should be positioned two inches from the collar on a small or medium shirt; three inches on large and extra large; and four inches on double extra large and larger.

This was from the 2005 Mechanics Manual (the only one I had at work).  I don't think it's changed though.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: copedaddy on August 08, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
I have been told that they show up well in a rifle scope. They work best in the 7 man crew, during pregame warmups the B and S stand together and the F and U. Fans love it.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: texref on August 08, 2012, 11:07:30 PM
I have been told that they show up well in a rifle scope. They work best in the 7 man crew, during pregame warmups the B and S stand together and the F and U. Fans love it.

Now that's funny right there.......
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: TXMike on August 09, 2012, 04:21:29 AM
(http://refstripes.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/referee_shirts.jpg)
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: El Macman on August 09, 2012, 12:44:13 PM
BRUSH and FLUSH are longest (real, English) words I can come up with.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: bossman72 on August 27, 2012, 01:00:08 PM
While I do think plackets look good on shirts and would love to wear them on my crew, I don't think it's practical for high school officials.  Lots of officials work many different positions as fill-ins and also work many different positions on sub-varsity games.  That would require a lot of different plackets, and you know how some (most) high school officials get about buying new things for their uniform that isn't a bare necessity.  Then you get the issue of do you sew it on or pin it on if you work multiple positions?  You'll get some guys that sew it and some guys that pin it, and the guys that pin it usually do a terrible job at it.  Then, if you made it optional for varsity, then some crews would have them and some not, which would look terrible for officials in the state as a whole.  Then there's that guy that's going to buy 1 shirt with 1 placket and wear that no matter what position he may be working that Friday night.

From a looks standpoint, I say yes.  From a practicality standpoint, DEFINITELY NO!!
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: bossman72 on August 27, 2012, 01:05:13 PM
BRUSH and FLUSH are longest (real, English) words I can come up with.

Do you ever wonder why the BJ in a 7 man crew stands on the press box side on the coin toss?

                     R  L  F  B

                           ()

                        S  U  H



Because people wouldn't stop laughing when they saw this:

                     R  L  F

                       ()

                  B  U  S  H   
Title: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Welpe on August 27, 2012, 09:34:36 PM
Plackets/placards work with crews. We have many crews here adopting them with the understanding they need to have slick shirts in case a sub comes
around.

We don't wear them for subvarsity.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: TXMike on August 28, 2012, 02:18:30 AM
What advantage does wearing them give to the official who is wearing it?  How does it help you oficiate the game better? 
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: beaye1 on August 28, 2012, 08:49:34 AM
People think that the look will give them an advantage when the playoffs come.  Looking the part is only a factor of the game itself...
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: TXMike on August 28, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
How does wearing these letters make you "look good"?
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Joe Stack on August 28, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
Since college and pro guys wear them, it gives some fans the illusion that the guys working are at a higher level than ordinary.

Not saying I buy that, just an explanation.

I just advise crews that plan on wearing them to stick a plain shirt in their bag in case one crew member has to bail at the last minute and the sent replacement doesn't have the appropriate letter. I got a call during the very late afternoon once to fill in as head linesman at a stadium fairly close to my house. Had we been doing letters then, I probably would not have had an H.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Welpe on August 29, 2012, 01:13:07 PM
How does it help you oficiate the game better?

I don't think that they do at all. I really don't see the point but it's one of those "Hey the college and NFL officials do it so let's do it too."
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: mishatx on August 29, 2012, 02:41:33 PM
What advantage does wearing them give to the official who is wearing it?  How does it help you oficiate the game better?

The extra fabric provides a subtle amount of downforce, giving you better cornering ability when squaring off your spots.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: JDM on August 30, 2012, 08:04:55 AM
The extra fabric provides a subtle amount of downforce, giving you better cornering ability when squaring off your spots.

That may be the best reason we're not wearing them. My wing officials have enough "downforce" to deal with as it is!
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: TxSkyBolt on August 30, 2012, 08:47:41 AM
If they're sewn on plackets, they create hot spot on your back where the air can't get through.
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Rulesman on August 30, 2012, 03:41:03 PM
Sounds something like "Give me a half turn of wedge and bump the right rear tire 1/4 lb of air pressure."
Title: Re: Shirt Plackets
Post by: Joe Stack on September 01, 2012, 12:07:53 AM
Looks like, from TV highlights, that a lot of crews are wearing them.