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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: skip1 on July 27, 2012, 02:53:12 PM
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This is from an NCAA rules test. What are K's options using NFHS rules?
4th/10 @ midfield. While K1's punt is in the air, R1 blocks K2 below the waist @R-45. The grounded kick is first touched by K3 @R-25. R2 picks up the kick @R-20 and runs to the R-35 where he fumbles. K3 picks up the fumble and (a) is tackled @R-10, or (b) scores a TD. What are K's options?
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I'll take a whack...
First If K declines the foul, R gets the ball at the spot of first touching.
If K accepts the foul, R loses the right to first touching. The foul occured during a loose ball play, so it's assessed from the previous spot, so it's 1/10 at the R 40.
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I'll take a whack...
First If K declines the foul, R gets the ball at the spot of first touching.
If K accepts the foul, R loses the right to first touching. The foul occured during a loose ball play, so it's assessed from the previous spot, so it's 1/10 at the R 40.
Concur, except for the spot -- BBW is 15 yards.
Since R will not be next to put the ball in play, PSK doesn't apply.
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Agree with VALJ and 'BAMA - but see 2012 Fed Case Book play 6.2.5C (new this year)...Same play....
"4th & 5 from K's 30. Punt is grounded and first touched by K at R's 30. Ball continues rolling and is picked up by by R35 at their 25. R35 is hit and fumbles at his 28. K recovers loose ball at R's 26. DURING THE KICK, R is flagged for holding.
RULING: If K accepts R's holding foul, it is enforced from the previous spot WITH A RE-KICK since PSK no longer applies as they would not be the next to put the ball in play and the awarded spot of first touching is not applied. If K declines R's foul R will put the ball in play at the spot of first touching."
Now my question is: if R's foul is 10 yds, and accepted, why is it a rekick? ^flag the FED
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Printing error? It was actually 4th-and-15? hEaDbAnG
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Printing error? It was actually 4th-and-15? hEaDbAnG
Well at least now those on Refstripes and in our Associations will know it's an error.... ^talk
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Concur, except for the spot -- BBW is 15 yards.
Since R will not be next to put the ball in play, PSK doesn't apply.
Ah, shoot. Nice catch, Bama.
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Well at least now those on Refstripes and in our Associations will know it's an error.... ^talk
What gets me is that even if it actually was 4th-and-15, why use the term "rekick"? Depending on the game situation, K might want to run a play on 4th-and-5.
At any rate, I'm sure we'll get an interp from NFHS making a correction.
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Ok Referees, how would you announce this? This would be my stab at it (situation B):
"While the kick was loose, the ball was illegally touched [S16] by the kicking team [point], therefore, they cannot keep the touchdown. Also during the kick, there was an illegal low block [S40], by the receiving team [point]. That 15 yard penalty will be enforced from the previous spot, resulting in a first and 10 for (insert city of kicking team). [S8]"
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Ok Referees, how would you announce this? This would be my stab at it (situation B):
"While the kick was loose, the ball was illegally touched [S16] by the kicking team [point], therefore, they cannot keep the touchdown. Also during the kick, there was an illegal low block [S40], by the receiving team [point]. That 15 yard penalty will be enforced from the previous spot, resulting in a first and 10 for (insert city of kicking team). [S8]"
Not bad; but I would modify the last sentence by saying, "by rule, since R would not be the team to next snap the ball (edit: K recovered in the end remember), the foul for the BBW (15 yards) would be enforced from the previous spot - resulting in a 1st & 10 for K".
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Ok Referees, how would you announce this?
With the hi if, hi def, systems we have around here, you would be wasting your time announcing it.
Just tap the mic switch a couple of times like its inoperative, look puzzled, then give the signals.
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With the hi if, hi def, systems we have around here, you would be wasting your time announcing it.
Just tap the mic switch a couple of times like its inoperative, look puzzled, then give the signals.
I love it!