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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: BoBo on September 28, 2012, 11:08:30 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpzsm7p33js&feature=youtu.be
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Rule 6-1-9 states "The kicker of a free kick may not be blocked until he has advanced five yards beyond his restraining line or the kick has touched a player, an official or the ground." So this doesn't apply. What are your thoughts on the call?
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Rule 6-1-9 states "The kicker of a free kick may not be blocked until he has advanced five yards beyond his restraining line or the kick has touched a player, an official or the ground." So this doesn't apply. What are your thoughts on the call?
I think the crew is calling the hit a personal foul (unnecessary roughness), not an 6-1-9 infraction.
But, I'm not sure about the crew's penalty enforcement. R announces 15 yard penalty, first down for Utah State (the offending-receiving team). Play-by-play reads the next down as first and 10 for Utah State at USU-45.
Shouldn't that penalty be enforced at the previous spot and replay the down?
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live ball treated as dead ball
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No way. This is a live ball PF during a free kick. Basic spot is previous spot. Cannot "tack-off" fouls by receiving team.
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live ball treated as dead ball
No such thing as live ball treated as dead ball when the foul is a personal foul. 7 guys and we can't get the penalty correct? Go back to basics and walk youreself through this and you'll get it right.
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I wonder how they managed to screw this one up. Live ball personal foul by team B during a free kick, enforcement is governed by rule 10-2-2-d-4-a. 15 yards from the previous spot, team A FK from A-50.
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Did they have a guest student commentator from the chess club or something? (Not that there's anything wrong with chess)
John
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Did they have a guest student commentator from the chess club or something? (Not that there's anything wrong with chess)
Chess actually has a thicker rulebook than football, believe it or not.
--Associate National Tournament Director, United States Chess Federation
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Chess actually has a thicker rulebook than football, believe it or not.
--Associate National Tournament Director, United States Chess Federation
Used to be a tourney player in my youth. Can't imagine chess having that many rules, to be honest.
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I don't know about the rest of the game after that but the video ends right after the officials blow the whole thing dead before the snap...
maybe someone realized what happened and corrected it
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maybe someone realized what happened and corrected it
I hope so - I would assume the team A coach was pretty livid.
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I don't know about the rest of the game after that but the video ends right after the officials blow the whole thing dead before the snap...
maybe someone realized what happened and corrected it
This play-by-play
http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=322660036&period=4
has Utah St putting the ball in play 1/10 @ their own 45 with 1:43 in the fourth quarter.
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Wonder why this one and all other videos of this play are now UNAVAILABLE on youtube?
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just watched again from the link in the OP with no issues.
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Weird! That link and everyone like it showed "Unavailable" message awhile ago
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Mike, what's your take on this? Good flag?
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I think the definition of "defenseless player" is getting wider and wider each week. It certainly does not look like the Team B player led with the helmet although the 2 helmets did make contact. If that kicker had been on Team B and a Team A blocker hit him like that, would we flag? If that kicker had been a ball carrier and a tackler hit him like that, would we flag?
Monday morning QB I say no flag. At that moment, seeing those helmets hit and with all the pressure on everyone to flag "targeting", I can understand the flag.
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Most coaches have adopted the "defenseless player" is only one of their players. All other teams cannot be a defenseless player................... hEaDbAnG
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I believe this is a foul. You don't have to be a defenseless player. Sure looks like he's using the crown of his helmet to target, especially when he goes upstairs.
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Are you saying that hits with the shoulder, forearm, etc that are high on someone other than a defenseless player are fouls? I agree 100% if you judge the hitter used his helmet, you have a foul, regardless of who he hits. But hits, not using the helmet, that happen to be high on a ball carrier, blocker, potenial tackler, etc?
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Are you saying that hits with the shoulder, forearm, etc that are high on someone other than a defenseless player are fouls? I agree 100% if you judge the hitter used his helmet, you have a foul, regardless of who he hits. But hits, not using the helmet, that happen to be high on a ball carrier, blocker, potenial tackler, etc?
Nope - not saying that. I just think he used his helmet and hit the guy right in the chin. He actually went down a little bit then up into the chin with his helmet instead of staying down. It doesn't really matter what his hands/arms are doing. In this day and age "When, in question...". The fact that we're debating it means it's "in question". This would be supported by the vast majority of, if not all, the supervisors.
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I have no doubt it would be supported but the other side of that is...if it had NOT been flagged, would the covering officials have received a downgrade?
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I have no doubt it would be supported but the other side of that is...if it had NOT been flagged, would the covering officials have received a downgrade?
yes, IMHO
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Here's my thought on a "defenceless" player. I'd deem that a player who by his own actions, or the actions of another, reduced his ability to sustain contact. I'd NOT deem it so to a player who by his own stupidity isn't ready to play football.
I'm out of touch with NFHS rules some five years, now, but I recall a "centre protection" clause for long snappers. Well, I occasionally have some coach tell his kid to hang their head for the entire play trying to induce a penalty. *facepalm*
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The Team B player can't go low (it was a kick down). He has a guy who is trying to get in position to make a play on the onside kick and he is going to keep him from getting in that position. The kicker, who apparently thinks he is back on the soccer field "protecting the ball", got blown up due to his own lack of preparedness. If you judge the Team B player used his helmet in the hit, then it has to be flagged. Agree 100%. But I also know that helmets hit each other and hit other body parts just by the nature of the game at times.
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Is the hit by #51 of Utah State really any different than the hit by #27 of Co State on #7 right after that? Of course the hit by #27 is clearly illegal under the rules since the kickers were not eligible to touch yet and therefore could not block.
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That is a GREAT question! :thumbup :bOW
Of course I have never done this myself ( ;D ) but I wonder if the covering officials were so caught up in 51's blowup that they did not even see the other hit?