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Title: holding?
Post by: donttouchatwire on September 29, 2012, 10:14:14 PM
is this holding?

http://t.co/mxWLYKXR (http://t.co/mxWLYKXR)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4Aiv-gCUAA86a6.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4Aiv-gCUAA86a6.jpg)
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: donttouchatwire on September 29, 2012, 10:17:46 PM
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Title: Re: holding?
Post by: Wes71ref on September 29, 2012, 11:07:07 PM
From this angle yes he has his hands on outside grasping the jersey.
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: donttouchatwire on September 29, 2012, 11:32:39 PM
awesome! 
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: El Macman on September 30, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
is this holding?

http://t.co/mxWLYKXR (http://t.co/mxWLYKXR)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4Aiv-gCUAA86a6.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4Aiv-gCUAA86a6.jpg)

Impossible to say if this is a holding FOUL. No single still picture can ever offer such a conclusion. Was there "obstruction" of the opponent? Was there a material restriction? Was the opponent making an attempt to escape the block?
Is this "suspect?" Of course. Is this a foul? No way to tell without seeing the whole of the action.
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: blindref757 on September 30, 2012, 09:32:28 AM
It is not holding...it is a photograph.  To know if it is holding or not, I need a lot more info.
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: 110 on September 30, 2012, 09:37:20 AM
Moreover, without knowing the position and movement path of the ball, there's no way to know if there's a foul.

Assuming the OP is a non-ref: one of the key factors that fans/coaches/players often fail to recognize is that we will only call fouls that either affect player safety or affect the play. An obvious take-down hold 20 yards away from the ball on a sweep play may not get called, but on the next series, a little jersey tug may be called because it took a would-be tackler off a viable path to the ballcarrier two yards away.
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: donttouchatwire on September 30, 2012, 09:12:32 PM
Moreover, without knowing the position and movement path of the ball, there's no way to know if there's a foul.

Assuming the OP is a non-ref: one of the key factors that fans/coaches/players often fail to recognize is that we will only call fouls that either affect player safety or affect the play. An obvious take-down hold 20 yards away from the ball on a sweep play may not get called, but on the next series, a little jersey tug may be called because it took a would-be tackler off a viable path to the ballcarrier two yards away.

how about this?

http://t.co/dfIaHEUs

Title: Re: holding?
Post by: 110 on October 01, 2012, 06:21:57 AM
how about this?

http://t.co/dfIaHEUs
I'd have to see that from field level. It looks nasty, but it has all the earmarks of a d-line guy whose tried a swim move and got stuck. The o-line player's feet and hand remain square. The questionable area is the o-line player's right hand, which *may* be engaging in restrictive movements, but we can't see that.
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: El Macman on October 01, 2012, 06:48:21 AM
Looks marginal at best. Just not big enough. A good 'pass,' IMHO.
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: BankerRef on October 01, 2012, 03:12:54 PM
Looks like a rip move by the defender to me.  Let it go.
Title: Re: holding?
Post by: allen on October 01, 2012, 03:49:38 PM
Not holding.