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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: zebraken on October 08, 2012, 09:22:11 AM

Title: is this always true?
Post by: zebraken on October 08, 2012, 09:22:11 AM: is this statement always true?.........unless there is a deadball foul after the ready for play whistle, 'A' can never start a new series facing first and more than 10 yards to gain.
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: TampaSteve on October 08, 2012, 09:24:07 AM: correct.
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: Curious on October 08, 2012, 10:07:58 AM: There's that ugly word again (always)....

How about in OT - where the line to gain is ALWAYS the goal line? Could have more than 10 yds to go with a carry over foul from regulation. The offending team could be first on offense (A) and have a penalty assessed in OT prior their new series.

Otherwise, "Tampa" is right (5-3-1)
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: Atlanta Blue on October 08, 2012, 10:25:22 AM: Quote from: Curious on October 08, 2012, 10:07:58 AM
There's that ugly word again (always)....

How about in OT - where the line to gain is ALWAYS the goal line?

Depends on your state. Since we start on the 15, it's still 1st and 10, even with a carry over foul.
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: sir55 on October 14, 2012, 09:37:21 PM: On the FED test the answer was true.
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: Rulesman on October 15, 2012, 09:53:18 AM: Quote from: sir55 on October 14, 2012, 09:37:21 PM
On the FED test the answer was true.
I believe the Fed test references the 10 yard overtime procedure which would make the answer to the question true.
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: Curious on October 15, 2012, 10:33:35 AM: Quote from: Rulesman on October 15, 2012, 09:53:18 AM
I believe the Fed test references the 10 yard overtime procedure which would make the answer to the question true.

If the test references the 10 yard-line OT procedure, wouldn't that make the answer False? It would be 1st and goal from wherever.....
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: maven on October 15, 2012, 10:40:33 AM: Quote from: Curious on October 15, 2012, 10:33:35 AM
If the test references the 10 yard-line OT procedure, wouldn't that make the answer False? It would be 1st and goal from wherever.....

Look at the wording: never a new series with first and "more than ten yards to gain," which would be true for 1/G to start OT under the NFHS OT procedure.
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: Curious on October 15, 2012, 10:50:12 AM: Quote from: maven on October 15, 2012, 10:40:33 AM
Look at the wording: never a new series with first and "more than ten yards to gain," which would be true for 1/G to start OT under the NFHS OT procedure.

So what would be the yard to gain to start A's series if there had been a carry-over of their foul from regulation (Except in Ohio)?
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: maven on October 15, 2012, 10:59:20 AM: Quote from: Curious on October 15, 2012, 10:50:12 AM
So what would be the yard to gain to start A's series if there had been a carry-over of their foul from regulation (Except in Ohio)?

Ooh, good one. That'll teach me to try to defend an NFHS test answer. >:(
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: maybrefguy on October 15, 2012, 11:43:09 AM: @Curious - it could be 1st and 5 or 15 or 20 or 25 depending on the accepted foul.
Title: Re: is this always true?
Post by: Curious on October 15, 2012, 02:56:35 PM: Quote from: maybrefguy on October 15, 2012, 11:43:09 AM
@Curious - it could be 1st and 5 or 15 or 20 or 25 depending on the accepted foul.

Exactly my point. A NEW SERIES Could be 1st and "more than 10" in OT. See my post of 10/8!