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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: El Macman on November 27, 2012, 01:29:31 PM
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As TxMike points out, RR is interpreting that the spot of a pass is the point where the arm begins to move forward. Never heard that before, but I can live with it. I just wish he'd put it in writing.
Also, check play Number 4. This is the absolute CLASSIC example of what I've been preaching about for decades.
The play is ruled properly, and that is the bottom line. So, not criticizing any major ability to officiate.
But, watch the B. He's got his bean bag in his right hand. Just after the ball is muffed by the receiver he 'reacts' rather than processes, and tosses his bean bag. Technically, that means he's either got a fumble or the end of the kick, and we know that neither of those has happened. If he'd left his bean bag on his belt, and remineded himself before the play, "bean bag B possession or A illegal touch; tip signal if mufed by B; flag if KCI by A," then he might have just given the tip signal, telling the world correctly and more accurately that B has muffed the ball and he has observed that fact. What would he have done if he'd had KCI? I can almost guarantee you that he'd have tossed his bean bag first, then fumbled for his flag and tossed it.
There is a better way.
Your whistle, your flag, and your bean bag are tools. Know when to use them. Leave your flag and bean bag stored on your belt/in your pocket, and then select and employ the correct tool at the right time.
It may seem like a little thing, but this is something that could become a big thing. Besides, it is the little things that separate great officials from good officials.
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good point but as a BJ for many moons years ago we always carried the bean bag on punts because we use it a lot. Having it your belt can lead to problems getting it out - tossing the flag instead of the bean bag (of course that's never happened!), etc.
with concentration it is never a problem carrying it during the punt.
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...with concentration it is never a problem...
+1
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As TxMike points out, RR is interpreting that the spot of a pass is the point where the arm begins to move forward. Never heard that before, but I can live with it.
So is the spot of the foul the spot at which the arm starts to move forward, or the spot at which the ball is released from the hand?
:sTiR:
I assume that the cheque's in the mail... ;)
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good point but as a BJ for many moons years ago we always carried the bean bag on punts because we use it a lot. Having it your belt can lead to problems getting it out - tossing the flag instead of the bean bag (of course that's never happened!), etc.
with concentration it is never a problem carrying it during the punt.
Like you, I was around when we first got the "spot marker," and, as I recall, the reason we started carrying them in our hand was because we weren't used to having and needing these things. So, being somewhat Pavlovian, until we became re-trained to use them, we would get them out and hold them in our hand on punts (as deep guys), and in short goal line situations (as wing guys). Thankfully, as years have gone by, old dogs learned the new trick. New dogs didn't need re-education. So, now, it is second nature to pull the bag off the belt and toss it on fumbles. So, no need to hold it in the hand on short goal line plays - and you don't see that any more.
I was like all the other old dogs - I held it in hand for the first few years, until I had 'reacted' rather than processed and had dropped it incorrectly a good number of times. Especially emabarrasing is throwing the bean bag for a KCI, and then having to fumble around for a flag, meanwhile missing something more important because I was distracted getting the flag out. Then I just decided to keep my throwing hand free (keep the bag on my belt), process the play, and pick the right tool at the right moment. There is no need to drop the bag or flag instantly upon an event. The spot of a fumble, illegal touch, end of a kick, KCI, etc., will still be that spot two, three, five, eight seconds from the time of the event. Stay calm, grab the right tool the first time, get it calmly on the correct yard line, all the while continuing to observe the play. We can do it.
We've had the spot markers for for over 30 years, I think. It is time to 'grow up' (metaphorically speaking) and just learn to use the right tool at the right time, and stop dropping the spot marker incorrectly due to 'reaction' rather than processing.
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whatever works - kind of an individual thing - I never had any issues with holding the bean bag - that's not to say I didn't have a lot of other issues! :)
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As TxMike points out, RR is interpreting that the spot of a pass is the point where the arm begins to move forward. Never heard that before, but I can live with it. I just wish he'd put it in writing.
If he puts it in writing it will have to be in the form of an editorial change. Currently 2-30-4-c states that the spot of an illegal forward pass is the spot where the passer loses possession of the ball.
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If he puts it in writing it will have to be in the form of an editorial change. Currently 2-30-4-c states that the spot of an illegal forward pass is the spot where the passer loses possession of the ball.
Or he changes both rules to be consistent.