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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: hortond on October 20, 2017, 10:11:13 PM

Title: Illegal Forward Pass on KOR
Post by: hortond on October 20, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
One second on the clock R down by 1.  K kicks a squib that.is picked up by R at their 38.  R has 2 latterals to keep the play going. R 81 has the ball and as hit is.getting tackled throws an illegal Forward pass that falls to the ground about 4yards in front of him.  Besides a flag for ILF.  What do you have?  A fumble or an incomplete pass?
Title: Re: Illegal Forward Pass on KOR
Post by: Curious on October 20, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
No fumble...

IFP carries a loss of down; so since time will have expired, K would decline the penalty and the game would end.  Even if the accepted the penalty, the game would end as the LOD aspect of the foul would preclude the extension of the period
Title: Re: Illegal Forward Pass on KOR
Post by: hortond on October 20, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
What mechanics would you use after you threw your flag?  Drop a bean bag for a fumble or signal incomplete and kill it?
Title: Re: Illegal Forward Pass on KOR
Post by: VA Official on October 20, 2017, 11:13:25 PM
What mechanics would you use after you threw your flag?  Drop a bean bag for a fumble or signal incomplete and kill it?

As soon as the IFP hits the ground, come up big signaling incomplete. An IFP is not a fumble. Itís treated like any other forward pass. It just happens to be an illegal one.
Title: Re: Illegal Forward Pass on KOR
Post by: Rulesman on October 21, 2017, 12:38:28 AM
One second on the clock R down by 1.  K kicks a squib that.is picked up by R at their 38.  R has 2 latterals to keep the play going. R 81 has the ball and as hit is.getting tackled throws an illegal Forward pass that falls to the ground about 4yards in front of him.  Besides a flag for ILF.  What do you have? A fumble or an incomplete pass?
If he throws a forward pass (legal or illegal), by definition, it cannot be a fumble (Rule 2-18). As others have stated, when the pass hits the ground it is incomplete, and the down has ended. Whistle and a flag at the spot of the IFP.
Title: Re: Illegal Forward Pass on KOR
Post by: VALJ on October 25, 2017, 03:58:49 PM
3-4-4: The clock shall be stopped when:
     f. A legal or illegal forward pass is incomplete.

Flag the IFP, kill the clock for the incomplete pass, and march off the yards.  Since this occurs during a running play, enforcement is from the spot of the foul. Mark off the yardage, set up the chains 1/10, and go forward.