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Title: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: pgh guy on February 02, 2011, 01:30:51 PM
The NCAA Collegiate Commissioners have voted to do away with knickers for the upcoming season.  Black pants will now become the standard uniform and will be work with short or long sleeve shirts.  We should all see the savings as they don't fade or turn yellow.  The makers of Oxi-Clean are not happy... nAnA
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: ETXZebra on February 02, 2011, 01:43:16 PM
I was wondering if this was going to happen. I received a sale e-mail from Honig's last week where all knickers were half price. Wonder if the 2" striped shirts will be next?
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Welpe on February 02, 2011, 01:45:59 PM
That explains the cheap knickers. Interesting change.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on February 02, 2011, 02:13:32 PM
I was wondering if this was going to happen. I received a sale e-mail from Honig's last week where all knickers were half price. Wonder if the 2" striped shirts will be next?
2" striped shirts are already confirmed for next year.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: gsrc on February 02, 2011, 02:37:42 PM
So I assume then that they will make a summer version of the black pants and a cold version, right? Not sure the "foul weather" black pants would be good when it's in the 80's. Wonder if this will trickle down to NFHS/state level soon?
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: VA-Ump on February 02, 2011, 02:47:26 PM
My thoughts exactly... as hot as the knickers are, at least they are white.  My "foul weather" blacks are pretty thick too.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: fbljuj on February 02, 2011, 04:31:03 PM
2" striped shirts are already confirmed for next year.
Is that official? I have not seen anything on this.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Grant - AR on February 02, 2011, 04:57:43 PM
Not sure the "foul weather" black pants would be good when it's in the 80's.

80s?  I would love for my first few games of the year to be in the 80s.  I've seen 100s down here in the south for day or night games.   :D
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: 6310 Forever on February 02, 2011, 05:23:59 PM
Honestly, you're kidding, right?  Please say it ain't so. . . . .
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: fencewire on February 02, 2011, 06:05:32 PM
Done deal, got confirmation from a coordinator today...
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: JasonTX on February 02, 2011, 07:02:57 PM
Is that official? I have not seen anything on this.

Yes, this change came out at the beginning of this past season to give us a year to be ready for the change.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: LittleWhistle on February 02, 2011, 07:25:19 PM
This is great news, but I really hope a manufacturer will produce some lightweight/summer ones.  Field temp in aug/sept on around noon is in the 100's at least on turf down south.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Etref on February 02, 2011, 07:31:06 PM
Remember, be careful of what you wish for.

Everyone clamored for knickers, now you got 'em!
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on February 02, 2011, 07:57:15 PM
Remember, be careful of what you wish for.

Everyone clamored for knickers, now you got 'em!

I think I was the only one clamoring for knickers!
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: RicFlairWoo on February 02, 2011, 10:21:30 PM
Ahhhhh!!!  The freedom of going "Commando" on a warm Saturday afternoon!  LMAO!!    :!# :!# :!#
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: James on February 03, 2011, 04:25:29 AM
We are not changing in Germany - I'm going shopping!
Can someone please give me a run down on the Western, Athletic, Elite and Regular?
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: With_Two_Flakes on February 03, 2011, 07:46:28 AM
Quote from: Welpe
That explains the cheap knickers.

Well, the New Year is a traditional time of year to have a sale, and I guess as the football season in the US has just finished, it's an even more sensible time to have a football sale. I've been to Honigs warehouse in Ann Arbor many times, it always looks like it's bursting at the seams. I expect they'll have deliveries of a ton of baseball/softball stuff anytime now and need space for it. Not much demand for football stuff for the next 6 months, so clear it out in a Sale. I'd guess 90% of their customers are high school guys so I don't think the decision of the NCAA to go to black pants is the driving force behind this Sale. I wouldn't reckon that is the reason some of their football socks are on sale either.
Flags ^flag are on sale too, are the NCAA changing the colour of flags and I missed the announcement?   ;)



Quote from: James
Can someone please give me a run down on the Western, Athletic, Elite and Regular?

Athletic - more roomy in the "booty" department. I'm bigger than average, but the athletic cut were a bit baggy on me. J-Lo would probably get the Athletic cut, I didn't need to.

Western - has jeans style pockets rather than the pockets at the side. Claimed they look better because the pockets dont "pooch out". I don't see it, on me I thought the western style pockets looked even worse than regular pockets. I didn't like 'em, I prefer the pockets at the side.

Elite - better quality material than the regular. They are sized in inches 32,34,36, etc rather than the usual S, M, L.  As all the white knickers seem to be the same price 21.95, you'd be mad not to get the best quality ones you can. The Elite pants are what I wear.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Welpe on February 03, 2011, 09:13:55 AM
This thread has gotten the attention of Uniwatch.

http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2011/02/03/college-football-officiating-crews-to-wear-black-slacks-in-2011/
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Grant - AR on February 03, 2011, 09:35:39 AM
This thread has gotten the attention of Uniwatch.

http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2011/02/03/college-football-officiating-crews-to-wear-black-slacks-in-2011/

I was wondering why we have had so many guests this morning.  There have been 65 in the past 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: mnref on February 03, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
I also understand that the U will stay in his regular position next year and that the keys for the B/H/L will change in the trips formation.  B will have third receiver in and the L or H will take the 2nd receiver in.  B will take 3rd and 4th receivers if formation has 4 receivers to one side.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: fbljuj on February 03, 2011, 03:13:33 PM
The attachment is pretty official. I can NOT believe we have to wear black pants in 90+ degree weather. they are hot as hell, also we all have to be on the field 60 min. before kickoff, why? I must be getting old because some things just don't make sense.

Edit by Grant - AR:  I deleted the attachment because it had some personal information from the supervisor that I'm not sure needed to be posted on a public forum.  Here is the meat of the attachment:

Update 2-1-11

Division 1 Coordinators met in Phoenix, January 30 and 31, 2011. 

David Parry officially retired, and Rogers Redding began his tenure as National Coordinator.  I know you join me in thanking Mr. Parry for his leadership and in wishing him well as he and Pat enter this stage of their lives.

Steve Shaw (SEC) and Rosie Amato (MEAC) attended their first such meeting.  The Southern Conference has not yet named a replacement for Don Lucas, who resigned after 18 years as the SoCon Coordinator.   Don will continue as the Coordinator in the Sun Belt.

Beginning in 2011, the official uniform for college football will be the 2 striped shirt and long black pants.  We will wear the black pants with either the short or long sleeve shirts.  We will not wear knickers at all.  This is confirmed.  Plan and acquire accordingly.

The umpire position will NOT change. 

There will be a change in keys.  When we have trips, B will take the 3rd receiver in, and the wing will take the 2nd receiver.  If we have 4 receivers, B will take the 3rd and 4th from the end.  This will be reflected in the mechanics manual for 2011.  We will talk about this change at length at the clinic.

Beginning in 2011, all 7 officials will be on the field at 60:00 and remain as long as both teams are out.  If one or both teams leave, the crew will leave as well, and return no later than 5:00. 

The CFO website will be enhanced to include a searchable rule book, illustrative videos and more.  It will become a great resource for us, and I hope you were candid in your feedback for this site. 

The date of this meeting was changed this year so that it was held before the Rules Committee meets in Indianapolis next week.  Coordinators have made several suggestions for changes.  As a member of the Editorial Sub-Committee for rules, I will attend the Rules Committee meeting next week, and give you a report.

Thank you for your commitment to OVC Football.

JJ
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Rulesman on February 03, 2011, 03:44:26 PM
Long black pants in August and September in the south... hmmm... it makes me glad I retired last year!  ::)
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: chymechowder on February 03, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
The attachment is pretty official. I can NOT believe we have to wear black pants in 90+ degree weather. they are hot as hell, also we all have to be on the field 60 min. before kickoff, why? I must be getting old because some things just don't make sense.

you don't think this means we'll need to be there more than 3 hrs before kickoff for DIII games, do you?
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: El Macman on February 03, 2011, 05:29:46 PM
you don't think this means we'll need to be there more than 3 hrs before kickoff for DIII games, do you?

NCAA rules require that we be out there beginning 1 hour before K/O, when both teams are present. Were you not already sending at least a couple of guys out at 1 hour? The only change is that now the whole crew goes out at 1 hour. There may still have been some hold-outs, as far only sending out two at a time; but, many, if not most, FBS conferences have been sending the whole crew out for many years now.

So, if you were already sending out folks at 1 hour, it shoudln't change your pre-game schedule. If you weren't, then you'll need to adjust your schedule, but I don't think you'll need to be there more than 3 hours ahead.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Diablo on February 03, 2011, 07:33:54 PM
The whole crew will go out onto the field at minus 60 min.  What brought this about?

What do 7 guys do for the hour?

Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Sonofanump on February 03, 2011, 08:00:20 PM
The whole crew will go out onto the field at minus 60 min.  What brought this about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMk66i8gHHE&feature=related
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on February 03, 2011, 08:05:22 PM
The whole crew will go out onto the field at minus 60 min.  What brought this about?

What do 7 guys do for the hour?



Make yourself look busy.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: brew95 on February 03, 2011, 08:35:43 PM
The whole crew will go out onto the field at minus 60 min.  What brought this about?

What do 7 guys do for the hour?



Ogle the cheerleaders.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: El Macman on February 03, 2011, 09:37:42 PM
The whole crew will go out onto the field at minus 60 min.  What brought this about?

What do 7 guys do for the hour?

You asked.
#1: Everybody maintains vigilance on the teams to make sure they don't interact in any improper way. If you do nothing else productive - you do this.

Everything else is secondary.
All: If you have replay - enter field together and stay together for RO to test pagers, then disperse.
Both wings: Get snap reps, working on pre-snap routine, keys, movement, progress, etc.
All deep guys:
Observe punts for wind effects, and get some reps looking at returns (short as they may be). Record numbers & kicking legs of punters & place kickers. Practice fades during passing drills, working on pre-snap routine, identifying keys, and focusing on catch observation technique (i.e., feet then ball). Alternate teams.
B: Check play clocks (locations & operation). Make sure pylons are in correct locations. Talk to punt receivers about fair catch signals.
F: Assemble ball persons (with S) and give them instructions. Find your get back coach and thank him for his help.
S: Walk field (with R, if he wants), and check for unsafe conditions, and check field markings (particularly 9-yard marks). Check game clock(s) (locations & operation). Find your get back coach and thank him for his help. Join F for ball-person instructions. Instruct foul recorder.
H: Instruct chain crew. Thoroughly. Collect S and greet head coach on your side.
L: Coordinate with media liaison, replay sideline assistant, etc. Collect F and greet head coach on your sideline.
U: Check equipment, talk to line coaches and get punt/field goal lineups. U is most difficult position to work on pre-snap routine - but do what you can.
R: Immediately after pagers are tested, go to replay sideline assistant and check headset and give assistant instructions. Do this with the other official that will always go with you to the headset when there is a review (L or F, usually). Re-check field for safety and operational issues. Get starting QB numbers, names, and throwing arms - greet each. Get reps looking at passer drop backs, keeping focus on passer, etc.

When both teams are fully on field - keep them separated (45-45 "neutral zone"). All keep an eye on players near mid-field and keep them separated. When teams depart field, keep them separated. Many times, this takes a full crew to be effective.

Much more. Keep busy. Don't stay in the same place more than a minute or so. Don't stand with hands in pockets, arms crossed on chest, or hands on hips.

Try it. You'll like it. Well, now you have to do it, even if you don't like it.

Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: chymechowder on February 03, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
NCAA rules require that we be out there beginning 1 hour before K/O, when both teams are present. Were you not already sending at least a couple of guys out at 1 hour? The only change is that now the whole crew goes out at 1 hour. There may still have been some hold-outs, as far only sending out two at a time; but, many, if not most, FBS conferences have been sending the whole crew out for many years now.

So, if you were already sending out folks at 1 hour, it shoudln't change your pre-game schedule. If you weren't, then you'll need to adjust your schedule, but I don't think you'll need to be there more than 3 hours ahead.

yeah in my D3 conference the F and S go out at 60, the H and L go out at 40, and everyone's out at 20 mins before kick....I was just wondering if all out at 60 might mean that we'd start the 3hour pregame a little earlier.  and by "wondering" I mean really, really hoping that it doesn't.  :)
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: JasonTX on February 04, 2011, 01:17:03 AM
You asked.
#1: Everybody maintains vigilance on the teams to make sure they don't interact in any improper way. If you do nothing else productive - you do this.

Everything else is secondary.
All: If you have replay - enter field together and stay together for RO to test pagers, then disperse.
Both wings: Get snap reps, working on pre-snap routine, keys, movement, progress, etc.
All deep guys:
Observe punts for wind effects, and get some reps looking at returns (short as they may be). Record numbers & kicking legs of punters & place kickers. Practice fades during passing drills, working on pre-snap routine, identifying keys, and focusing on catch observation technique (i.e., feet then ball). Alternate teams.
B: Check play clocks (locations & operation). Make sure pylons are in correct locations. Talk to punt receivers about fair catch signals.
F: Assemble ball persons (with S) and give them instructions. Find your get back coach and thank him for his help.
S: Walk field (with R, if he wants), and check for unsafe conditions, and check field markings (particularly 9-yard marks). Check game clock(s) (locations & operation). Find your get back coach and thank him for his help. Join F for ball-person instructions. Instruct foul recorder.
H: Instruct chain crew. Thoroughly. Collect S and greet head coach on your side.
L: Coordinate with media liaison, replay sideline assistant, etc. Collect F and greet head coach on your sideline.
U: Check equipment, talk to line coaches and get punt/field goal lineups. U is most difficult position to work on pre-snap routine - but do what you can.
R: Immediately after pagers are tested, go to replay sideline assistant and check headset and give assistant instructions. Do this with the other official that will always go with you to the headset when there is a review (L or F, usually). Re-check field for safety and operational issues. Get starting QB numbers, names, and throwing arms - greet each. Get reps looking at passer drop backs, keeping focus on passer, etc.

When both teams are fully on field - keep them separated (45-45 "neutral zone"). All keep an eye on players near mid-field and keep them separated. When teams depart field, keep them separated. Many times, this takes a full crew to be effective.

Much more. Keep busy. Don't stay in the same place more than a minute or so. Don't stand with hands in pockets, arms crossed on chest, or hands on hips.

Try it. You'll like it. Well, now you have to do it, even if you don't like it.


This is pretty much what we do.  It's also important to keep them separated as players are entering the field and may be entering near the other team.  We just get in between them as they enter to make sure nothing happens. 
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Dommer1 on February 04, 2011, 09:43:03 AM
Wow, that was fast! I expected the knickers to disappear eventually, but this was a lot faster than I thought.

It'll be interesting to see what the manufactureres do. I expect one very airy and light warm weather version, and a thicker more insulating one for cold weather. There's already some difference in the pants out there, I think we'll see more tailored versions.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: El Macman on February 04, 2011, 12:42:02 PM
Wow, that was fast! I expected the knickers to disappear eventually, but this was a lot faster than I thought.

It'll be interesting to see what the manufactureres do. I expect one very airy and light warm weather version, and a thicker more insulating one for cold weather. There's already some difference in the pants out there, I think we'll see more tailored versions.

Here's the real question:
Honey, do these make my butt look big? :)
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: fbljuj on February 04, 2011, 01:54:02 PM
Here's the real question:
Honey, do these make my butt look big? :)
You may experience a reverse camel toe affect.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Dommer1 on February 04, 2011, 05:11:45 PM
I think black pants make your butt look smaller, no? I hope so at least.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Joe Stack on February 04, 2011, 06:13:54 PM
The black is hotter mantra is largely a myth. I say largely because it CAN be true in some instances, but not usually to the degree (pardon the pun) that most of us think.

Black absorbs more light, not necessarily more heat, than lighter colors. In fact, it absorbs ALL light. I've read a lot of people say it absorbs more heat, but that isn't always true. Are you warmer in the winter wearing black clothing than you are, say, in light blue -- even on a sunny day? Doubtful. If you are on a snowy mountain, you might be warmer since you are getting light from above and below. But out in the woods in the mid-30s, it doesn't much matter if you are in black or khaki. Trust me, I've been in both. I go out all the time in fall and winter in black, woodland camo, and tan BDU pants and it doesn't make any difference heat wise.

What matters is the material. I wear black and navy blue workout shorts all year round, even in the heat of the summer. They aren't any hotter than a gray pair of shorts I have, mainly because the lightweight of the material. Its my opinion that a well designed warm weather black pant will actually be cooler than the current Honigs elite knickers that many of us wear. The pants will probably be lighter in weight, looser -- allowing some air flow, plus they will be more comfortable overall (no tightness below the knees from the knickers or socks) making them more likable. Also, the new pants can be made much thinner without having to worry about stripes showing throw from the shirt tucked in. I think its Easton who makes a pair of softball shorts I've seen (with belt loops) that are lightweight and comfortable. I saw them in black and I would think that material would make a good pair of pants.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: RBase2 on February 04, 2011, 09:46:49 PM
80s?  I would love for my first few games of the year to be in the 80s. 

FOR REAL!!!
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Rulesman on February 05, 2011, 06:40:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMk66i8gHHE&feature=related
Does anyone really think 7 guys in striped shirts are going to keep 150 in pads and helmets from fighting? ???
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: JasonTX on February 05, 2011, 06:56:02 PM
Does anyone really think 7 guys in striped shirts are going to keep 150 in pads and helmets from fighting? ???

I don't think so, but what 7 guys can do is provide more eyes on the ones actually fighting and DQ them.  With only a couple of guys out there it is likely some guys don't get DQ'd that should.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Sonofanump on February 06, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
Does anyone really think 7 guys in striped shirts are going to keep 150 in pads and helmets from fighting? ???

Well if we are standing in the no fly zone and curbing any talk, they I do not think it escalates to that incident.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: El Macman on February 06, 2011, 04:02:17 PM
Well if we are standing in the no fly zone and curbing any talk, they I do not think it escalates to that incident.

Precisely.

We may not be able to stop 150 guys from getting into a brawl, but we are expected to try. In my experience, when we are vigilant, things that could lead to an incident are, indeed, kept from escalating to that point.

All 7 go out. Get used to it.
 
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: TX Zebra on February 08, 2011, 11:36:49 AM
Interesting how this has morphed to a discussion of why go out 60 minutes prior to game time - and here is my take....

Go out at 60 minutes because you can't wait to get onto the field. My crew has all gone out for several years now, often goes out before 60 minutes, and it is mostly because we'd rather be on the field than sitting around the locker room (of course, with the exception of bad/extreme weather days). What to do out there, besides the usual pre-game duties? How about just enjoying being part of the football game-day atmosphere. This is the time to visit (not lengthy, but establish rapport) with players, coaches, trainers, sideline assistants, etc. It is the calm before the storm and this is the time to show that we officials are human and have the opportunity to display our sense of humor and honor in being a part of a game we love.

Kind of corny, but getting out on the field ahead of time is a time I look forward to, not wonder why we have to....
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Harry on February 08, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
I've heard there will be 2" stripes on the pants too.  Is that true?  I also hear that the NCAA may have officials put their positions on the front pocket like the NFL used to have.

Has it been determined if the black pants are mandatory for all of college football or just that one conference?   pi1eOn
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Etref on February 08, 2011, 05:16:58 PM
Precisely.

We may not be able to stop 150 guys from getting into a brawl, but we are expected to try. In my experience, when we are vigilant, things that could lead to an incident are, indeed, kept from escalating to that point.

All 7 go out. Get used to it.
 


I always referred to it as Jihad watch..............................
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Diablo on February 08, 2011, 06:39:18 PM

We may not be able to stop 150 guys from getting into a brawl, but we are expected to try. In my experience, when we are vigilant, things that could lead to an incident are, indeed, kept from escalating to that point.
 

When the animals, ahh I meant players, get restless, how much help can you expect from the coaches?
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: El Macman on February 08, 2011, 07:13:09 PM
When the animals, ahh I meant players, get restless, how much help can you expect from the coaches?

Coaches actually are helpful, but they need a little bit of cueing. A verbal nudge to get a coach to get control of a player that you can tell is pushing the envelope will usually do the trick. But those in the neutral zone must be ever vigilant to keep a wise-acre comment from causing a confrontation or escalating into something physical. Coaches tend to have a bit of the agressive macho mentality, and might initially react aggressively, but, when cued, usually understand that discretion is the better part of valor, and step in to make sure they don't have to start the game handicapped by a stupid penalty.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: cougar729 on February 08, 2011, 08:31:30 PM
If your doing the duties El Macman outlined earlier, then 60 minutes goes by pretty quickly, its not too bad
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: fbljuj on February 11, 2011, 03:46:02 PM
As the R, I meet with the coaches along with the U 90 minutes prior to kick off. Can we do that in this 60 minutes?
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: El Macman on February 11, 2011, 04:34:11 PM
As the R, I meet with the coaches along with the U 90 minutes prior to kick off. Can we do that in this 60 minutes?

If your coordinator says OK. But trying to talk to them during the last hour before KO is not a really a good idea.
The reason many have gone to meeting the HC at 90 minutes instead of 75 is because they start getting pretty keyed up after about 90 minutes to KO, so we try to get in and get out and leave 'em alone. Honestly, I'm not sure why we have these conferences any more. We don't care who they send out for the toss, and we always look to the sideline (HC) for penalty enforcements. If we need to address something with a representative on the field, that's gonna be the QB on offense; pick one on defense. They aren't forthcoming about special plays any more, so why bother? Equipment certification? Yeah, right. But, I suppose it does help humanize each other, and maybe can at least establish a professional rapport.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: MJT on February 12, 2011, 12:37:11 AM
I've heard there will be 2" stripes on the pants too.  Is that true?  I also hear that the NCAA may have officials put their positions on the front pocket like the NFL used to have.

Has it been determined if the black pants are mandatory for all of college football or just that one conference?   pi1eOn

Harry, there is a 2" white stripe on the pants, just like the ones we wore this season.

The placket will still be on the back, but it will be "part of the shirt" like it is in the NFL. It will not be sewn on as before. You can still sew a placket over it when you are working a different position.

Black pants will be mandatory in all of college football, not just a conference thing. Other companies will come out with a light weight pants for the heat, and we will still have the cold weather ones as we did this year. I personally like all the uniform changes.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: El Macman on February 12, 2011, 06:53:16 AM
...there is a 2" white stripe on the pants, just like the ones we wore this season.


You may have something different, but the pants I have (from Honig's) from last season have a stripe that is not even 1 1/4" wide. Now, I don't know of a reason to make the stripe wider - it looks good to me as is. So, here's to hoping it doesn't get changed to 2".
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: elewis023 on February 12, 2011, 07:16:02 AM
"Black pants will be mandatory in all of college football, not just a conference thing."

I doubt that this will actually be the case, at least not for a few years.  I know a few conference head's will not make their guys do this.  Not saying that we shouldn't all look the same, I just know some conferences want to "do it the way they want".  Remember, we are still a LONG way from national mechanics because of this very reason.

Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: MJT on February 12, 2011, 09:14:09 AM
You may have something different, but the pants I have (from Honig's) from last season have a stripe that is not even 1 1/4" wide. Now, I don't know of a reason to make the stripe wider - it looks good to me as is. So, here's to hoping it doesn't get changed to 2".

My bad, I didn't measure them, just figured 2". I'm sure they will be the same.  :)
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: Dommer1 on February 13, 2011, 07:17:53 AM
1.25" according to what I've been told. I haven't measured mine though.
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: harvajr on May 11, 2011, 05:18:48 AM
Initial meeting of the Spring Football Season here in SW Florida;FHSAA. "The Board" just INFORMED the membership we would be going to the Honigs(style) Black Football Slacks for ALL Varsity contests beginning this Fall.Sub-Varsity contests will remain with the Black Coaches-Style Shorts for the near future.  Needless to say the response was "underwhelming!"  Just a moment here to examine the facts........ SW Florida Football during August, and September; The "Surging Economy" distributing discretionary income to all! Guess the 2" stripe jersey isn't far behind?                                                                                                       
Title: Re: Goodbye to knickers
Post by: TampaSteve on May 11, 2011, 08:09:17 AM
Initial meeting of the Spring Football Season here in SW Florida;FHSAA. "The Board" just INFORMED the membership we would be going to the Honigs(style) Black Football Slacks for ALL Varsity contests beginning this Fall.Sub-Varsity contests will remain with the Black Coaches-Style Shorts for the near future.  Needless to say the response was "underwhelming!"  Just a moment here to examine the facts........ SW Florida Football during August, and September; The "Surging Economy" distributing discretionary income to all! Guess the 2" stripe jersey isn't far behind?                                                                                                       
"Coaches-style" shorts?  Like Chuck Noll used to wear?  eek.  If you guys are moving to pants (updated uniform), perhaps consider moving to the UnderArmour-typs black shorts too.