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National Federation Discussion / Re: Try and Field Goal
« Last post by Derek Teigen on December 14, 2018, 01:46:52 PM »
Thatís a great strategy! :bOW
National Federation Discussion / Re: Try and Field Goal
« Last post by bbeagle on December 14, 2018, 12:10:40 PM »
I had this happen TWICE in my career so far.

The first one was just like what ncwingman described. The game was something like 55-0. Defensive coach wanted a shutout. Opposing team scores to make it 55-6 with 2 minutes left. He 'penalized' his defense by making them go out there again by kicking off.

The second one was with :20 left. The visiting team scored making it a 3-point game. They were going to attempt an onside kick. He thought that if they recover (his team 'always' lost onside kicks) - they'll have the ball around the 50-45. Just need about 20 yards to attempt a field goal with :20 left. Why not kick it deep to them, they'll get it around their own 20, and need 50-60 yards to attempt a field goal in just :10-:15 seconds. He thought kicking back to them was the better option. (And it was, they got one 20 yard play and then time ran out on the next play)
National Federation Discussion / Re: Try and Field Goal
« Last post by AlUpstateNY on December 14, 2018, 12:04:48 PM »
Sometimes we forget, the second sentence of NFHS 3-1-4, which can be helpful in situations where a lopsided score has "let the air out of the interest in continuing".  It suggests, "By mutual agreement of the opposing coaches and the referee, any remaining period may be shortened at any time or the game terminated."

That seems to happen more frequently when the referee, subtly and privately, suggests to each head coach that the contest has been decided and prolonging the inevitable needlessly risks preventable injuries or abnormal behavior, rather than wait for the coaches to suggest doing so.  If there is a field clock being used, it's important to alert the Timer of the decision, and to strictly follow the referee's signals, which may conflict with standard protocols.
National Federation Discussion / Re: Try and Field Goal
« Last post by stevegarbs on December 14, 2018, 10:37:14 AM »
It's never come up in any of my games, but it has happened relatively recently to other officials in my clinic.

In all situations that it's happened around here, Team B is winning by a lot, has their third string D in, and they surrender the shutout so it's now 50-7 with 5 minutes left. Team B elects to kick off to give their backup D more playing time. With 5 minutes left, their offense would have to run enough plays they might accidentally score, or things get chippy, or other unnecessary side effects can happen.

A couple years ago the state instituted a mercy rule running clock, so it's less likely to happen now because that last drive to make it 50-7 probably ends the game.

I'm not a fan of this idea, as it can be seen as patronizing or humiliating to the losing team- "You guys are so much worse than us we are just going to give the ball back to you."

I saw a similar situation years ago when a varsity team jumped out to an early lead, but I think I recall it was only 4 scores, in the second quarter. On the PAT the QB took a knee instead of running a play. It infuriated and fired up the opponents and we had an unnecessarily chippy game to manage the rest of the night.

I think winning coaches should be able to either call simple running plays to eat up the clock, or as some do, let the second and third string players get some quality time running the offense.
National Federation Discussion / Re: Try and Field Goal
« Last post by BIG UMP on December 14, 2018, 08:39:37 AM »
I had a middle school coach who knew about this.  He was losing by a vast number and his opponent ran a reverse and scored again.  He said if he wants to score that bad let him have the ball again.  Before we lined up he did change his mind.
Texas Topics / Re: Playoff Brackets
« Last post by TexDoc on December 14, 2018, 04:45:53 AM »
Iíll try to finish it up today.  Internet connection where I am is horrible so have not completed it yet.
Texas Topics / Re: Training Camps
« Last post by Archie on December 13, 2018, 05:30:11 PM »
The El Paso Camp (14th Annual) will be May 24-25. Registration will open later this month at
Texas Topics / Re: Training Camps
« Last post by Cowtown Ref on December 13, 2018, 04:29:59 PM »
I disagree with 1st Year Guy!

No reason not to go after your 1st year.  Youll learn more from a college camp than you will anywhere else.

Don't get me wrong, his other is advice is good to.  But if you got the time and money, go for it.  If you wait till youre "ready", youll never go.
National Federation Discussion / Re: Try and Field Goal
« Last post by JasonTX on December 13, 2018, 04:21:12 PM »
NCAA used to have this rule but it was removed several years ago. 
National Federation Discussion / Re: Umpires, what are you looking at?
« Last post by refjeff on December 13, 2018, 04:15:28 PM »
Offensive lineman are allowed to be downfield 2 yards, the ENZ, if they are in contact with someone they are blocking.  They are not allowed to be 2 yards beyond the LOS pursuing a linebacker.

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