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National Federation Discussion / Re: Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by CalhounLJ on Yesterday at 07:04:07 AM »
This concept was the most difficult for me to grasp. I struggled with it for years. One day the light came on. This forum was instrumental in helping me. These guys know their stuff.


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National Federation Discussion / Re: Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by CK51 on Yesterday at 05:42:57 AM »
Ok I get it

the fumble behind the neutral zone, regardless of it occurs immediately after the snap or 20 seconds later after a pass and run, wipes out everything prior and it is considered a loose-ball play for the purpose of penalty enforcement

this one of my favorite things about reffing football, I feel like I'm learning new things constantly
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Texas Topics / Re: Football weather!
« Last post by psv on October 18, 2018, 11:39:00 PM »
DFW metro area ---- If there is a 5 in front of the number, I am going to want to wear long sleeves.  Long underwear comes on if there is a brisk wind or the number starts with a 4, of if its going to rain...

Not a fan of the cold weather and calling games.  REALLY not a fan of the rain and even mildly cooler weather...  Prefer 105 to 45 any day of the week.
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National Federation Discussion / Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by CalhounLJ on October 18, 2018, 03:56:12 PM »
finally had a chance to get in my rule book and i think p80-81 provide the answers

the face mask occurred during a running play.

for a run play followed by a loose ball (when beyond the NZ) the run ends where the ball becomes loose (bean bag) but the action continues to be a run play until the ball is dead or a player gains possession.

the enforcement spot is the end of the run which in this case would be A's 38

so in other words, i'm going back to my original answer lol

The phrase in parentheses is vitally important in understanding this scenario. Where did the ball become loose? It was NOT beyond the NZ, it was behind. This important fact made it a loose ball play with previous spot enforcement. Itís where the ball became loose, not where the foul occurred, that determines the type of play.


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National Federation Discussion / Re: Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by PABJNR on October 18, 2018, 03:42:29 PM »
finally had a chance to get in my rule book and i think p80-81 provide the answers

the face mask occurred during a running play.

for a run play followed by a loose ball (when beyond the NZ) the run ends where the ball becomes loose (bean bag) but the action continues to be a run play until the ball is dead or a player gains possession.

the enforcement spot is the end of the run which in this case would be A's 38

so in other words, i'm going back to my original answer lol

CK the face mask did not occur during a running play, it occurred during a run (very important distinction) which preceded the fumble, therefore making it a loose ball play not a running play. 

rule 2-33

ART.1....A loose-ball play is action during:
a.  A free kick or scrimmage kick other than post-scrimmage kick fouls.
b.  A legal forward pass.
c.  A backward pass (including the snap), an illegal kick or fumble made by A from in or behind the neutral zone prior to a change of team possession.
d. The run or runs which precedes such legal or illegal kick, legal forward pass, backward pass or fumble.

ART.2...A running play is any action not included in Article 1, including the related run as in 2-41-9a
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by CK51 on October 18, 2018, 03:08:20 PM »
finally had a chance to get in my rule book and i think p80-81 provide the answers

the face mask occurred during a running play.

for a run play followed by a loose ball (when beyond the NZ) the run ends where the ball becomes loose (bean bag) but the action continues to be a run play until the ball is dead or a player gains possession.

the enforcement spot is the end of the run which in this case would be A's 38

so in other words, i'm going back to my original answer lol
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by Stinterp on October 18, 2018, 02:13:46 PM »
Calhoun's got it right
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by bbeagle on October 18, 2018, 01:40:05 PM »
Play ended with a loose ball behind the line of scrimmage, making everything that happened before it including the foul, part of the loose ball play. Enforce from previous spot. The fact that the ball had at some point been beyond the NZ is insignificant.


I agree, now examining the Rule Book.

Normally, this would be enforced at the 38 if the line of scrimmage was before the 38. But since the line of scrimmage is the 40, we treat this as a loose ball play, and enforce at the 40.

10-6: Enforcement Spots, All-but-one-principle
A loose ball play is action during:
3. A backward pass (including the snap), illegal kick or fumble made by A from in or behind the neutral zone prior to a change of team possession.

So, this fumble was behind the line of scrimmage, so it's a loose ball play.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Penalty Enforcement
« Last post by PABJNR on October 18, 2018, 01:38:47 PM »
Play ended with a loose ball behind the line of scrimmage, making everything that happened before it including the foul, part of the loose ball play. Enforce from previous spot. The fact that the ball had at some point been beyond the NZ is insignificant.


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What he said


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General Discussion / Re: 4th down signal
« Last post by js in sc on October 18, 2018, 12:54:24 PM »
We use the rolling fists on a field goal attempt to remind each other that the ball remains live following the kick.
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