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National Federation Discussion / Re: Another free kick play
« Last post by CalhounLJ on July 18, 2018, 06:26:03 AM »
Would not the receiving team have the option to accept the 10 yard penalty for the illegal block from the succeeding spot, the 35 yard line?  10-4-2 Exception? 

I do not have my case book for this year.  Is there a case explaining this situation?

The 35 does not become the succeeding spot until R makes a decision on the oob foul. If he makes a decision on the oob foul, he has effectively declined the illegal block foul. If he accepts the illegal block foul, the succeeding spot will be the oob spot because he will not have the option to put the ball in play 25 yds beyond the previous spot.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Another free kick play
« Last post by GA Umpire on July 17, 2018, 10:36:59 PM »
How would you rule on this play.  K free kicks from the K-40 yard line.  While the kick is in the air, K50 is flagged for an illegal block below the waist on the R-40 yard line.  The kicked ball bounces out of bounds, untouched, at the K-10 yard line. What are R's options?
Would not the receiving team have the option to accept the 10 yard penalty for the illegal block from the succeeding spot, the 35 yard line?  10-4-2 Exception? 

I do not have my case book for this year.  Is there a case explaining this situation?
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National Federation Discussion / Re: New Kick Penalty Rule
« Last post by NCAA-SJ on July 17, 2018, 09:23:25 PM »
I feel certain that this has been overlooked and not the intent of this rule, however, the rule reads during a kick 'down'...not during the kick.  Why did they choose the word 'down' in this rule?  With that, it means ANY K foul during the 'entire down', not just the kick part.
So, K punts from the K30. R22 catches punt at R20, runs to the R30, where K80 commits a facemask penalty and causes R22 to fumble.  R44 recovers the fumble and runs to the 50 where he is tackled. 
Because K fouled during the 'down', this foul can be tacked on from the succeeding spot, 50yd, and R will get the ball at the K35.

This cannot be the intent, but is exactly what the rule reads currently.  Has there been any word to the contrary?
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Another free kick play
« Last post by prosec34 on July 17, 2018, 08:54:35 PM »
Would there not be the possibility of the blocking foul being assessed from the previous spot since it was a loose-ball foul? Re-kick from 25 if that penalty is accepted.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Another free kick play
« Last post by CalhounLJ on July 17, 2018, 07:54:31 PM »
Two flags on the play. R has to decide which penalty they want. If they take the illegal block penalty, we mark off 15yds from the R?10, (I'm assuming a typo) making it first and 10 at the R25. If they take the OOB flag, R's options are (a) taking the ball at the OOB spot - R10, (b) taking the ball 25yds beyond the previous spot, - R35,  (c) 5yd penalty added to the oob spot -R15  (d) accepting a 5yd penalty from the previous spot and having K rekick - K35. 
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Texas Topics / Re: Test
« Last post by JasonTX on July 17, 2018, 07:41:51 PM »
Check AR 9-2-2-VI  Team A foul, not charged to A12.

Thanks.  Just not sure why they would put flagrant offenders are DQ'd in the penalty of the rule.  There are other fouls that the penalty states that it is charged to the team, such as physical interference under the sideline interference is unsporstmanlike charged to the team.

I'm thinking this is a case where the Rule and the AR don't agree with each other.  Spiking the ball after a score etc, it also includes the statement about flagrant offenders being DQ'd.  I've always understood that as being if it is a 2nd UNS he is DQ'd.
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Texas Topics / Re: Test
« Last post by ETXZebra on July 17, 2018, 07:27:44 PM »
Check AR 9-2-2-VI  Team A foul, not charged to A12.
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National Federation Discussion / Another free kick play
« Last post by Stinterp on July 17, 2018, 07:05:49 PM »
How would you rule on this play.  K free kicks from the K-40 yard line.  While the kick is in the air, K50 is flagged for an illegal block below the waist on the R-40 yard line.  The kicked ball bounces out of bounds, untouched, at the R-10 yard line. What are R's options?
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Texas Topics / Re: Test
« Last post by JasonTX on July 17, 2018, 07:05:07 PM »
3rd down ends short of the line to gain. Team A sends in 4 substitutes and 5 players begin to leave the field for a field goal attempt. A12, the quarterback, who participated in the previous play stops and sets up on the line of scrimmage very close to the sideline. After the ball is snapped, the holder A18 throws a pass to A12 who catches the ball and scores a touchdown.


Am I wrong on this?  A12 is charged with an UNS and if that is his second one of the game he is DQ'd.  The rule book even states that flagrant offenders will be disqualified for this foul under 9-2-2-b.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: New Kick Penalty Rule
« Last post by Stinterp on July 17, 2018, 07:01:57 PM »
I think the confusion is coming from the "succeeding spot" terminology on free kick plays
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