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General Discussion / Re: AAF
« Last post by jj06878 on January 21, 2019, 10:08:44 AM »
If you have to ask.....

these are variants from NFL rules
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General Discussion / Re: Measurement mechanics
« Last post by ElvisLives on January 21, 2019, 08:26:37 AM »
In the NE/KC game, there were two measurements, and they displayed the technique I have described.  The biggest difference for the NFL is that the chains are one side of the field one half, then the other side of the field in the second half.  But that is irrelevant.  The measurement is always 'presented' to the pressbox side of the field.
In both cases, the ball was outside the hash mark, and, when measured, was short of the LTG. So the R, obviously, had to move the chains to the hash mark to position a replacement ball at the hash mark.  Unfortunately, in both cases, the B took his hand off the measured ball and stood up.  The B should continue to hold the ball exactly in place until the replacement ball is successfully spotted at the succeeding spot, and everybody is satisfied that the replacement ball is where it needs to be.  If the R should lose his grip on the chains while moving to the hash mark, the measured ball needs to be exactly where it was when measured, so they can bring the chains back to that ball and re-establish the forward point of the ball on the chains.  If the ball gets moved during this interval, we're screwed.
You say, "But, the B is in the way of moving the chains to the hash mark."  Again, that's only if you think the chains must stay fully stretched out while moving to the hash mark.  They don't.  Once the R gets his grip on the chain, he and the U simply step around the B (who is still kneeling at the measured ball and holding it securely), toward the rear stake and move to the hash mark.  Easy. And the measured ball stays secure.
R: If the measured ball is outside the hash mark opposite the pressbox, then you don't have to change your position.  Just get a grip on the chain, then, on your signal, everybody moves to the hash mark.  You really don't even have to step around the B - he's not in the way at all.
Now, if the measured ball is outside the hash mark to the pressbox side, observe the measurement from the side opposite the pressbox, and, if short, then, after your "short" signal to the pressbox, step around to the pressbox side of the ball, grasp the chain, then you and the U step toward the rear stake a step or two to get around the B, and move to the hash mark.  Easy.  And the measured ball stays secure.

As I have discovered in the past 65 years, it takes a lot of words to describe even the simplest things.

Robert
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Moving Up With Limited High School Experience
« Last post by ilyazhito on January 20, 2019, 06:12:21 PM »
For the record, I am a man. A man with Asperger Syndrome, but nonetheless a man.

How exactly would I go about challenging the 50-mile rule, assuming I wanted to? I suspect that by the time the lawsuit would wind its way through the courts, I'd either already be expelled, or in college by some other means.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Moving Up With Limited High School Experience
« Last post by Andrew McCarthy on January 20, 2019, 04:10:57 PM »
Has anyone tried to move up to the college ranks with limited high school experience?

Are you a woman?  This would be considered quite common these days.
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General Discussion / Re: business cards
« Last post by AlUpstateNY on January 20, 2019, 11:16:25 AM »
I always carry a couple of my Chapter's business cards with me on the field.  They come in very handy when approached by Spectators
(to/from the field) or sideline "guests" and/or coaching staff impressing me with their rules knowledge.  With the advice, "We're always looking for good prospects", it's amazing how much needless conversation these cards eliminate.
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General Discussion / Re: business cards
« Last post by HLinNC on January 20, 2019, 10:15:31 AM »
I made some up to hand out back in the early days of video exchange on Hudl so we could get coaches to send to my account.  Once the state set us up I didn't need them anymore.
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General Discussion / Re: business cards
« Last post by TampaSteve on January 20, 2019, 10:01:49 AM »
I was at a clinic where every official had a number on their back AND there was a listing (name, email, phone, number on their back, headshot) of every official that was provided to those evaluating or seeking staff.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Moving Up With Limited High School Experience
« Last post by scrounge on January 20, 2019, 09:24:45 AM »
There would have to be someone claiming they are misclassified as IC's to start the ball rolling with that (through NLRB first).  IRS doesn't go looking for that willy nilly.

Anyway, that's not important - that association 50 mile rule is crap.  It's probably due to guys taking games from other chapters, then the current chapter cannot fill the games they are assigned to.   
 This is one of the pitfalls of having many chapters and segmenting the officiating population.  That's not good for officiating.

Also, it's a catch 22.  To fix this, there would be one giant chapter.  The bad thing in that case is that as you scale it, it's tougher to manage that many people and be an assigner for that many people.

Indeed it would take someone challenging it, and it's unlikely someone would, but it could be also fixed with a structural change - decouple assigning from associations, but rather have an assigner paid by schools/conferences who can pick from whatever association he/she would like. That model may not work in large, more rural areas but in a dense metro area like DMV it should be very easy. That's how it is in our area, associations are for training and development solely - they play absolutely no formal role in assigning. It's commonplace and completely normal to be in multiple associations.
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NCAA Discussion / PAC-12 recruiting
« Last post by goodgrr on January 20, 2019, 05:24:50 AM »
I came across this by accident, it may be going through the motions as they may do their recruiting a different way, however, I thought I'd share in case it is of some use:

https://www.teamworkonline.com/multiple-properties/collegesportsjobs/pacific-12-conference/independent-contractor-football-official-on-field-and-instant-replay-1951318
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Moving Up With Limited High School Experience
« Last post by bossman72 on January 20, 2019, 12:29:05 AM »
I get that no one is likely to challenge that, but that's a blatant and severe violation of independent contractor status. If the irs wanted to do so, they'd tag your association as an employer in a heartbeat.

There would have to be someone claiming they are misclassified as IC's to start the ball rolling with that (through NLRB first).  IRS doesn't go looking for that willy nilly.

Anyway, that's not important - that association 50 mile rule is crap.  It's probably due to guys taking games from other chapters, then the current chapter cannot fill the games they are assigned to.   
 This is one of the pitfalls of having many chapters and segmenting the officiating population.  That's not good for officiating.

Also, it's a catch 22.  To fix this, there would be one giant chapter.  The bad thing in that case is that as you scale it, it's tougher to manage that many people and be an assigner for that many people.
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